Box-Admins April 2012

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Aida/SqueakSite in Squeak 4.3
by Chris Cunnington 03 May '12

03 May '12

Aida, Swazoo2, and Scribo load into 4.3 well enough with several ConfigurationOfXXXs. Starting it with "SwazooAida demoStart" produces a site at localhost:8888. From there if you start to explore the demo "self halt" exceptions appear. I tried to load our site, squeak.org, SqueakSite-janko.18.mcz, and it says that "WebComponent" is required to proceed. I imagine in the three-and-a-half years since a new version was uploaded (Halloween 2008) Aida and Scribo have moved on a bit. In short, to get our homepage running on a current version of Aida and Scriboo in Squeak 4.3 would take some fitting, but nothing much. It's a great site, so it's well worth it. Chris

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Cog & box2 = inconclusive
by Chris Cunnington 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

I ftp'd into my account on box2 and uploaded a r2522 of Cog and the image and changes files I've used on my CentOS box for running websites. sudo /home/chriscunnington/coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-2522/squeak -headless Squeak4.2-10966.image& The image was set to run on port 10001. There is a grep'able process for that kind of Squeak - #10966 - which I cannot kill. And which produces nothing on port 10001. I use 4.2 as a production image as Ian's RFB, which this image also contained, has some kind of error when run in 4.3. Does this exercise prove anything? I'm not sure. Maybe 10001 is a closed port. Maybe Cog doesn't run on: uname -a Linux box2.squeakfoundation.org 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux If I read this correctly, this Debian is a version seven years old. All our sites are still up. I checked. And I went through the first two tiers of squeak.org and pruned dead links (Teleplace, Croquet, netstyle.ch, etc.). Once I remove the Squeak CD links in the menu, I figure it'll be updated enough for first impressions. I Googled 2.6.8-2-k7 and there are forum references from 2005. This is well before Cog was even conceived. Chris

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Aida SqueakSite
by Chris Cunnington 29 Apr '12

29 Apr '12

(If anybody wants to approve my application to the web list, I'd have posted this there.) The missing WebComponent class issue looks trivial. SqueakSite-18 won't load into contemporary Aida without it, but... Old hierarchy: WebElement WebComponent>>printHTMLPageOn:for:on: Scriblet Seems there was nothing much in WebComponent. #printHTMLPageOn:for:on: got kicked upstairs. New hierarchy: WebElement WebWidget Scriblet No big deal to change here. I don't see any content in the Aida/Scribo/SqueakSite. I think the image on box2 would need to push out the content as XML and then pull into a fresh image. Chris

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RE: [Box-Admins] RE: Janko, Aida, etc.
by Ken Causey 27 Apr '12

27 Apr '12

> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Box-Admins] RE: Janko, Aida, etc. > From: "Ken Causey" <ken(a)kencausey.com> > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 10:15 pm > To: "Chris Cunnington" <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com>, "Squeak Hosting > Support" <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Janko, Aida, etc. > > From: Chris Cunnington <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 9:53 pm > > To: Squeak Hosting Support <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > Cc: Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de>, Squeak Oversight Board > > Discussion <board(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org>, Ken Causey > > <ken(a)kencausey.com> > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2012-April/163778.ht… > > > > How about you just download one? > > > > Chris > > Because I can guarantee you that library versions will not match. With > the age of the server installation it's very unlikely that a binary > compiled on a more recent system will work. In fact I'm not 100% > confident it's going to work to build it from source. > > Ken But, I shouldn't simply assume it won't work. So I did download it and kencausey@box2:~/projects/coglinux$ ./squeak -version can't infer base LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Aborting. Ken

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RE: [Box-Admins] RE: Janko, Aida, etc.
by Ken Causey 27 Apr '12

27 Apr '12

> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [Box-Admins] RE: Janko, Aida, etc. > From: "Ken Causey" <ken(a)kencausey.com> > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 10:20 pm > To: "Chris Cunnington" <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com>, "Squeak Hosting > Support" <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [Box-Admins] RE: Janko, Aida, etc. > > From: "Ken Causey" <ken(a)kencausey.com> > > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 10:15 pm > > To: "Chris Cunnington" <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com>, "Squeak Hosting > > Support" <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Janko, Aida, etc. > > > From: Chris Cunnington <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com> > > > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 9:53 pm > > > To: Squeak Hosting Support <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > Cc: Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de>, Squeak Oversight Board > > > Discussion <board(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org>, Ken Causey > > > <ken(a)kencausey.com> > > > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2012-April/163778.ht… > > > > > > How about you just download one? > > > > > > Chris > > > > Because I can guarantee you that library versions will not match. With > > the age of the server installation it's very unlikely that a binary > > compiled on a more recent system will work. In fact I'm not 100% > > confident it's going to work to build it from source. > > > > Ken > > But, I shouldn't simply assume it won't work. So I did download it and > > kencausey@box2:~/projects/coglinux$ ./squeak -version > can't infer base LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Aborting. > > Ken OK, I stopped a bit too soon. It seems that is probably a problem with the shell script that is actually pointed at by that link. So I tried the VM directly kencausey@box2:~/projects/coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-2550$ ./squeak -version Floating point exception A classic VM runs just fine without any special environment setup by a shell script. Either the CogVM needs some or my guess about library mismatch is correct. Ken

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RE: Janko, Aida, etc.
by Ken Causey 27 Apr '12

27 Apr '12

> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Janko, Aida, etc. > From: Chris Cunnington <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com> > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 9:53 pm > To: Squeak Hosting Support <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > Cc: Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de>, Squeak Oversight Board > Discussion <board(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org>, Ken Causey > <ken(a)kencausey.com> > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2012-April/163778.ht… > > How about you just download one? > > Chris Because I can guarantee you that library versions will not match. With the age of the server installation it's very unlikely that a binary compiled on a more recent system will work. In fact I'm not 100% confident it's going to work to build it from source. Ken

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RE: [Box-Admins] RE: [Board] Re: Janko, Aida, etc.
by Ken Causey 27 Apr '12

27 Apr '12

> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Box-Admins] RE: [Board] Re: Janko, Aida, etc. > From: "Ken Causey" <ken(a)kencausey.com> > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 5:51 pm > To: "Bert Freudenberg" <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> > Cc: box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Board] Re: Janko, Aida, etc. > > From: Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> > > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 4:47 pm > > To: Ken Causey <ken(a)kencausey.com> > > Cc: Squeak Oversight Board Discussion > > <board(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > > Well, Cog was used in production at Teleplace for at least 2 years before we got the open-soruce version. I would install it in addition to our production VM. And then have something use it - maybe a "test" copy of the main site? Hmm, might have to wait until we have more disk space. > > > > - Bert - > > OK, I'm willing to look into building Cog then and see what happens. > Unfortunately I ran into the svn temporary directory issue when I tried > to check it out and I emailed vm-dev and the list. > > I'll report back when I can try it. > > Ken Well, that didn't last long. It appears that the version of svn on the server is just too damn old and that to get anywhere I will have to build svn and upgrade it. That's really more than I'm up for just now. Let's see if we really have an immediate need for a Cog VM and also if a new server is an option anytime in the nearish future. Ken

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RE: [Board] Re: Janko, Aida, etc.
by Ken Causey 26 Apr '12

26 Apr '12

> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Board] Re: Janko, Aida, etc. > From: Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> > Date: Thu, April 26, 2012 4:47 pm > To: Ken Causey <ken(a)kencausey.com> > Cc: Squeak Oversight Board Discussion > <board(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > Well, Cog was used in production at Teleplace for at least 2 years before we got the open-soruce version. I would install it in addition to our production VM. And then have something use it - maybe a "test" copy of the main site? Hmm, might have to wait until we have more disk space. > > - Bert - OK, I'm willing to look into building Cog then and see what happens. Unfortunately I ran into the svn temporary directory issue when I tried to check it out and I emailed vm-dev and the list. I'll report back when I can try it. Ken

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Sudo has been setup on the community server
by Ken Causey 25 Apr '12

25 Apr '12

It has been suggested multiple times and after years of just not getting around to it I have finally setup sudo on the community server and, unless a problem turns up, that will be the way forward for doing superuser tasks. I have sent emails to everyone that I have setup new accounts for on the server and given sudo rights. If you have not received an email and think you should have, let me know. Ken

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I spoke too soon - squeak.org is down again
by Chris Cunnington 25 Apr '12

25 Apr '12

This is not a message I want to send. squeak.org is down again and I can't bring it back up. There's a 502 Gateway error. One that I did not create. map.squeak.org and wiki.squeak.org and Squeak-Dev are up. Following Ken's instructions, I did: vncserver -kill :1 which closes things down and produces this: website@box2:~$ ps aux | grep website root 19315 0.0 0.1 6224 1912 ? Ss Apr24 0:00 sshd: website [priv] website 19317 0.0 0.2 6388 1980 ? S Apr24 0:00 sshd: website@pts/0 website 19318 0.0 0.1 2600 1500 pts/0 Rs Apr24 0:00 -bash website 21913 0.0 0.0 2496 848 pts/0 R+ 00:22 0:00 ps aux website 21914 0.0 0.0 1548 480 pts/0 R+ 00:22 0:00 grep website Then, following his instructions: vncserver which produces this: website@box2:~$ ps aux | grep website root 19315 0.0 0.1 6224 1912 ? Ss Apr24 0:00 sshd: website [priv] website 19317 0.0 0.2 6388 1980 ? S Apr24 0:00 sshd: website@pts/0 website 19318 0.0 0.1 2600 1500 pts/0 Ss Apr24 0:00 -bash website 22163 0.0 0.4 6544 4760 pts/0 S 00:23 0:00 Xtightvnc :1 -desktop X -auth /home/website/.Xauthority -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 -rfbwait 120000 -rfbauth /home/website/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5901 -fp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ -co /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb website 22168 36.4 11.7 1052208 113860 pts/0 R 00:23 1:03 /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.11.3-2135/squeakvm -pathenc UTF-8 -encoding UTF-8 -plugins /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.11.3-2135 /home/website/website/squeaksite.image website 22238 0.0 0.0 2496 848 pts/0 R+ 00:25 0:00 ps aux website 22239 0.0 0.0 1548 480 pts/0 R+ 00:25 0:00 grep website The image is up and running. The vnc is running. And there is still a 502 Bad Gateway from www.squeak.org. I took a crack at: svc -u wwwservice and was permission denied. But if you, as a root person, do that, then the VNC doesn't come up, because the squeak.org process can run either under daemontools or under VNC, but not both. I'm out of options. Sorry. Chris

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