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Welcome,
Ron Teitelbaum
On 10/3/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
I see we have a few new members. If you feel so inclined please introduce yourself and let the team know what areas you are interested in. This team is small so we try to encourage as much participation as possible.
Hi Ron,
First, thanks to you and the other members of the Cryptography team.
I'm interested in the pure Smalltalk solution first, just because I think it's the path of least resistance. Maybe I'm wrong. :) I found a load order in another cryptography list message, downloaded the latest version of everything from SqueakSource, and started loading them from a FileList.
Cryptography-Core-rww.17.mcz leaves CryptographyError in Undeclared Cryptography-SHA1-rww.8.mcz Cryptography-MD5-cmm.2.mcz Cryptography-DES-hmm.3.mcz leaves interpreterProxy in Undeclared Cryptography-SHA256-RJT.5.mczCryptographyBase-hmm.18.mcz defines CrytographyError Cryptography-ElGamal-cmm.3.mcz Cryptography-RSA-rww.5.mcz Cryptography-Rijndael-RJT.7.mcz Cryptography-ASN1-RJT.17.mcz Cryptography-RC4-rww.3.mcz Cryptography-DSA-rww.3.mcz Cryptography-X509-rww.21.mcz Cryptography-SSL-rww.93.mcz
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
Probably the underscores. :) I was using an untouched 3.9g-7061 on Mac OS X when I saw this. Should I use another image? Change some preferences? File something else in first? Read every bit of the cryptography list archives? Load in some other way?
Load in some other way. I restarted the same image and installed Cryptography 0.3 from SqueakMap. No underscore problem but it still leaves #interpreterProxy in Undeclared. Selected Cryptography-ASN1 and Cryptography-Tests in the Test Runner. Errors. Loaded...
Cryptography-DES-hmm.3.mcz
...and all but 2 of 23 passed, an assertion failure in CryptoTest>>testDSASigningAndVerifying and an error, MessageNotUnderstood (#unsignedLongAt:bigEndian) in the send chain that starts with encryptBlock: in CryptoTest>>testDES2.
I'll be happy to provide more information if you want, load other versions of whatever, or perform other experiments, time permitting of course.
Keep up the good work, Steve
Steven Elkins schrieb:
...and all but 2 of 23 passed, an assertion failure in CryptoTest>>testDSASigningAndVerifying and an error, MessageNotUnderstood (#unsignedLongAt:bigEndian) in the send chain that starts with encryptBlock: in CryptoTest>>testDES2.
The second should go away if you load the newer version of the CryptographyBase package. I put a compatibility method there (allowing 32-bit unsigned int access on ByteStrings) which makes encryption and decryption using the non-primitive DES easier.
Cheers, Hans-Martin
On 10/4/06, Hans-Martin Mosner hmm@heeg.de wrote:
Steven Elkins schrieb:
...and all but 2 of 23 passed, an assertion failure in CryptoTest>>testDSASigningAndVerifying and an error, MessageNotUnderstood (#unsignedLongAt:bigEndian) in the send chain that starts with encryptBlock: in CryptoTest>>testDES2.
The second should go away if you load the newer version of the CryptographyBase package.
The second did go away after I loaded the hmm-18 version.
Thanks, Steve
It sounded like Steven is talking about testing the SqueakMap version of the Crypto library, not our Monticello based library. In the Monticello working library, I fixed the first one from chopping off several bytes from the beginning of each signature parameter. Loading the latest DSA should fix it. We do have multiple errors, most of which looked to be due to trying to use Rijndael with an incorrect key size. I know little about it.
Robert
On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Hans-Martin Mosner wrote:
Steven Elkins schrieb:
...and all but 2 of 23 passed, an assertion failure in CryptoTest>>testDSASigningAndVerifying and an error, MessageNotUnderstood (#unsignedLongAt:bigEndian) in the send chain that starts with encryptBlock: in CryptoTest>>testDES2.
The second should go away if you load the newer version of the CryptographyBase package. I put a compatibility method there (allowing 32-bit unsigned int access on ByteStrings) which makes encryption and decryption using the non-primitive DES easier.
Cheers, Hans-Martin _______________________________________________ Cryptography mailing list Cryptography@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ cryptography
Hi Steven,
On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
I'm interested in the pure Smalltalk solution first, just because I think it's the path of least resistance. Maybe I'm wrong. :)
I like this too, but for cross-platform reasons. No special code for each platform or code that works on just a single platform.
I found a load order in another cryptography list message, downloaded the latest version of everything from SqueakSource, and started loading them from a FileList.
This is the right thing to do.
Cryptography-Core-rww.17.mcz leaves CryptographyError in Undeclared Cryptography-SHA1-rww.8.mcz Cryptography-MD5-cmm.2.mcz Cryptography-DES-hmm.3.mcz leaves interpreterProxy in Undeclared Cryptography-SHA256-RJT.5.mczCryptographyBase-hmm.18.mcz defines CrytographyError Cryptography-ElGamal-cmm.3.mcz Cryptography-RSA-rww.5.mcz Cryptography-Rijndael-RJT.7.mcz Cryptography-ASN1-RJT.17.mcz Cryptography-RC4-rww.3.mcz Cryptography-DSA-rww.3.mcz Cryptography-X509-rww.21.mcz Cryptography-SSL-rww.93.mcz
CryptographyError should be moved to Cryptography-Core and CryptographyBase should be renamed to Cryptography-Random.
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I'll try to reproduce this, but it shouldn't be happening. All in all, you shouldn't worry much about Undeclared, since it is just a class that references another class, before that class is defined. I see lot's of them when I load SSL, for instance.
The interpreterProxy issue will no get resolved. There is a DESPlugin class that subclasses from InterpreterPlugin, which is not in the image. No worries, since we don't use the DESPlugin an probably ought to remove it.
Probably the underscores. :) I was using an untouched 3.9g-7061 on Mac OS X when I saw this. Should I use another image? Change some preferences? File something else in first? Read every bit of the cryptography list archives? Load in some other way?
No to all the above. You were doing it right.
Load in some other way. I restarted the same image and installed Cryptography 0.3 from SqueakMap.
This is the original lib, that started the Monticello Cryptography lib. All this new stuff going on is in the Monticello lib.
No underscore problem but it still leaves #interpreterProxy in Undeclared. Selected Cryptography-ASN1 and Cryptography-Tests in the Test Runner. Errors. Loaded...
Cryptography-DES-hmm.3.mcz
...and all but 2 of 23 passed, an assertion failure in CryptoTest>>testDSASigningAndVerifying and an error, MessageNotUnderstood (#unsignedLongAt:bigEndian) in the send chain that starts with encryptBlock: in CryptoTest>>testDES2.
Load the latest DSA package to address the first but we have other errors with Rijndael. I'll work at them.
cheers, Robert
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I'll try to reproduce this, but it shouldn't be happening.
Sure, please let me know if I should provide more information.
All in all, you shouldn't worry much about Undeclared, since it is just a class that references another class, before that class is defined. I see lot's of them when I load SSL, for instance.
Oh, they don't bother me, I was just trying to be informative.
...and all but 2 of 23 passed, an assertion failure in CryptoTest>>testDSASigningAndVerifying and an error, MessageNotUnderstood (#unsignedLongAt:bigEndian) in the send chain that starts with encryptBlock: in CryptoTest>>testDES2.
Load the latest DSA package to address the first but we have other errors with Rijndael. I'll work at them.
All 23 pass after loading the latest Base (following Hans-Martin's instructions) and the latest DSA (following yours).
Thanks, Steve
On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I'll try to reproduce this, but it shouldn't be happening.
Sure, please let me know if I should provide more information.
Yes, could you? I am not seeing it occur when I load SSL.
thanks, Robert
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I'll try to reproduce this, but it shouldn't be happening.
Sure, please let me know if I should provide more information.
Yes, could you? I am not seeing it occur when I load SSL.
Sorry, you'll have to tell me what information you'd like me to provide. I just ran through it again and saw the same thing.
1. Open a fresh 3.9g-7061 image. 2. Resize the window for my little iBook. 3. Open a FileList and load these packages in this order.
Cryptography-Core-rww.17.mcz Cryptography-SHA1-rww.8.mcz Cryptography-MD5-cmm.2.mcz Cryptography-DES-hmm.3.mcz Cryptography-SHA256-RJT.5.mcz CryptographyBase-hmm.18.mcz Cryptography-ElGamal-cmm.3.mcz Cryptography-RSA-rww.5.mcz Cryptography-Rijndael-RJT.7.mcz Cryptography-ASN1-RJT.17.mcz Cryptography-RC4-rww.3.mcz Cryptography-DSA-rww.3.mcz Cryptography-X509-rww.21.mcz Cryptography-SSL-rww.93.mcz
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I suppose I can try it on other platforms and/or assemble an image through X509 and put it somewhere. Or answer whatever questions you have. I can't spend more time on it now but I'm glad to do so later.
Are you starting from the same image, using the same compiler?
Am I the only person seeing this?
Thanks, Steve
On Oct 4, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I'll try to reproduce this, but it shouldn't be happening.
Sure, please let me know if I should provide more information.
Yes, could you? I am not seeing it occur when I load SSL.
Sorry, you'll have to tell me what information you'd like me to provide. I just ran through it again and saw the same thing.
Very strange indeed.
- Open a fresh 3.9g-7061 image.
yes, completely fresh.
- Resize the window for my little iBook.
Powerbook here.
- Open a FileList and load these packages in this order.
Load in the same order
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I don't see this at all. Is it printing to your Transcript? I defined these by quoting the class name and it seemed to be working on reload, thus:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #'TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA' instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I suppose the most important question is does this prevent SSL from working for you? If you get the green button form opened up...and then can open the SSL Workspace, you could try to load one of the https webpages.
I suppose I can try it on other platforms and/or assemble an image through X509 and put it somewhere. Or answer whatever questions you have. I can't spend more time on it now but I'm glad to do so later.
When you have the time. Thanks for you help.
Are you starting from the same image, using the same compiler?
Yep.
Am I the only person seeing this?
That's a great question.
Cheers, Robert
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 4, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Steven Elkins wrote:
On 10/4/06, Robert Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I'll try to reproduce this, but it shouldn't be happening.
Sure, please let me know if I should provide more information.
Yes, could you? I am not seeing it occur when I load SSL.
Sorry, you'll have to tell me what information you'd like me to provide. I just ran through it again and saw the same thing.
Very strange indeed.
- Open a fresh 3.9g-7061 image.
yes, completely fresh.
- Resize the window for my little iBook.
Powerbook here.
- Open a FileList and load these packages in this order.
Load in the same order
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #TLSNothing more expected ->_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I don't see this at all. Is it printing to your Transcript? I
No, they're little instances of SystemWindow with 'Syntax Error' titles. The progress bar stops.
defined these by quoting the class name and it seemed to be working on reload, thus:
SSLCipherSuite subclass: #'TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA' instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: ''
I suppose the most important question is does this prevent SSL from working for you? If you get the green button form opened up...and then can open the SSL Workspace, you could try to load one of the https webpages.
No, the code doesn't load.
I suppose I can try it on other platforms and/or assemble an image through X509 and put it somewhere. Or answer whatever questions you have. I can't spend more time on it now but I'm glad to do so later.
When you have the time. Thanks for you help.
Well, I couldn't stop pounding my head against this wall. I had another idea after you mentioned quoting the symbol. So...
1. I extracted the snapshot/source.st file.
2. I changed the class definition to quote the symbol.
3. Filed it in and made it past the class definition.
4. Bombed on the next expression (definition of hexCode on the class side).
!TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA class methodsFor: 'constants' stamp: ''!
TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DESNothing more expected ->_EDE_CBC_SHA class methodsFor: 'constants' stamp: ''
5. Changed it to...
!(Smalltalk at: #'TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA') class methodsFor: 'constants' stamp: ''!
6. Made it past the definition of hexCode, i.e., it's in the image. Bombed on the next one, an instance method named bulkCipherAlgorithm.
TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DESNothing more expected ->_EDE_CBC_SHA methodsFor: 'accessing' stamp: ''
I'm stopping for tonight, no kidding. :) Funny it doesn't point to exactly the same place as it does with the class definition.
Are you starting from the same image, using the same compiler?
Yep.
I'll revisit the freshness of my image (later). Yours seems to handle underscores in class names much better than mine. I see many subclasses of SSLCipherSuite with names including underscores.
Am I the only person seeing this?
That's a great question.
I have a vague memory of Ron Teitelbaum mentioning it but so far I've failed to find it.
Thanks, Steve
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