On 5/31/18, John Pfersich <smalltalker2@mac.com> wrote:I think the AIO causes more problems than it’s worth. Does it work inWindows better than it does in Mac OS and Linux? I hope so, because it onlyworks for rank beginners on the latter platforms.
This is the question of the target user group.
As Bert mentions Etoys-to-go on a pen drive (use your environment in
school, e.g. Mac and at home Windows-PC) _is_ an issue. But as I just
write in the previous mail probably it has to be put on the
back-burner at the moment ....
The user group of "beginners" is also the one which is the largest
group of users!/————————————————————/Encrypted email at jgpfersich@protonmail.comWeb: http://www.objectnets.net and http://www.objectnets.orgOn May 30, 2018, at 07:59, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux@gmx.de> wrote:HIOn 30.05.2018, at 15:30, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel@gmail.com> wrote:Chris MullerTue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:14 AMAIO provides a compact example file of everything needed to deploy anapplication on each of the top platforms. For no more than itsinstructional value, it is something worth keeping, IMO.The AIO _is_ the application. Good to run off a pen drive as well in aplatform independent way.It does not need to be built regularily.Just for the release is fine.But the AIO is impractical.Eg, for OSX we _must_ force users now to _move_ the .app bundle beforestarting it the first time, else things just do not work. The only viableWay I see for that is building read-only disk images, so that people mustmove the app.However, nobody else can use DMGs, so we have two things already:- ZIP- DMGAnd now that snaps (https://snapcraft.io/) enter the stage for linux, wehave at least to _consider_ that, too.And when signing comes into play, this is getting too complex for me.I completely the understand the desirability of a portable app, but givenwe;re not a near-stateless browser and given our "workforce", I don't seethis happen reliably in the forthcoming time.Best regards-TobiasOn 5/30/18, David T. Lewis <lewis@mail.msen.com> wrote:On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:22:28AM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:On 30.05.2018, at 01:40, Edgar De Cleene <edgardec2005@gmail.com>wrote:On 29 May 2018, at 15:42, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:Making it easier to find and download new VM builds should be apriority.It's quite hard to find a recent VM following links from squeak.orgThis scared beginnersAll in one should have the most stable and recentLet's face it: the All-in-ones are dead.Apple makes it harder than ever and for linux we should have startbuilding platform packages long ago.This topic deserves a new subject line, and it would be great to getsomemore input regarding who prefers using the All-In-One distribution forregular use, versus other approaches for organizing their image and VM.My personal view is that the All-In-One is a valuable enhancement tothe basic image and VM downloads. I do not think that it is practicalto maintain it as the primary release artifact, but I do think that weshould provide it, as best we can, in addition to the primary image andVM release downloads.Dave