AW: [Newbies] Making cultural simulations in Squeak with Kedama

Thu Aug 24 18:47:56 UTC 2006

Hi Frank,

Thanks for your quick answer. You can send me the image to this gmail 
address of a friend:

santiagorr at gmail.com

I will probe the simulations on this version and I will post my 
progress/problems in this list. Thanks a lot,

Offray

Frank Urbach escribió:
> Hallo Offray!
>
>  I can send you an image which contains kedama and odeco. I didn't know where I've found this. The version of squeak is 3.6. If it is interesting for you give me please a ftp-adress where I can uploade. If your eMail can recieve more the 10 MB I could send you the image directly. Please give me a fast response because my holiday begins in 5 hours an then I haven't access to my computer.
>
> Cheers
>   Frank
> -----Original Message-----
> From: offray.luna at javeriana.edu.co
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:53:23 
> To:beginners at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: [Newbies] Making cultural simulations in Squeak with Kedama
>
>
>
>
> Hi all :) .
>
> I have sended this message more that 10 days ago and I have no answer
> from the Squeakland mailing list. I'm trying to use Squeak/Kedama for my
> thesis but the time of response in the list makes me wonder if this in
> the right choice considering the few time I have for it and the fact
> that I'm still a beginner with Squeak. So I send the message again to
> this list, hoping for the answer. I hope that this will be the right
> place (you will see also some other previous discussion, about the
> subject, so you can get the context).
>
> -----------------------------
>
> I'm  having problems with Kedama inside Squeak. I don't know if this is
> the proper place to put this concerns but the  issue was discuss in this
> thread, so I thought that it was (please  if this is not the place point
> me in the right direction)
>
> I tried using first the SqueakAtenex.image from the Extremadura project,
> because it's what my students and me used the last semester, but
> remaking the Epidemic example I found that there is a problem with the
> Kedama  menu translation of Kedama in that image. In the english version
> you can see four options in the viewer of the Kedama Turtle: "kedama
> turtle", "scripts", "kedama turtle breed" and "kedama turtle color". In
> the Atenex image you can see four also in that viewer, but one of them
> is repeated ("kedama turtle") and "kedama turtle breed" is absent. It
> seems that "kedama turtle breed" was translated as "tortuga kedama"
> ("kedama turtle"), so adding a turtle is possible, but not increasing
> the amount of turtles in a breed (at lest not as is explained in the
> documentation).
>
> So I tried then the Squeak3.8-6665full.image but Kedama is not available
> from the object catalog. Trying to update from server says that no
> updates are available from server and using the Squeak Map I can`t find
> Kedama either. ¿How can I find/install the Kedama if its not available
> in the object catalog of an image?
>
> Then I tried Squeak3.9g-7054.image and Squeak3.9b-7051.image installed
> from squeakland directly (without using any deb repository for Ubuntu)
> and Kedama is there and I can reproduce the Epidemic simulation example,
> but anytime I tried to open a *.pr project I get some error messages
> about "MessageNotUnderstood: SmallInteger>>removeKey:ifAbsent:"
> and other one about fonts. I can made the pr files run (after getting a
> lot of that messages with the "Abandon" window), but some of them can't
> run in with the "go" button for example (I need to locate the proper
> scripts and make them ticking).
>
> ¿There is a image and changes file with Kedama working out of the box,
> or there is another way to overcome the problems I show you?
>
> I'm obsessed and passionated with Kedama and multiagents systems. My
> master thesis is on collective problem solving and I think that
> Kedama/Squeak is the way to go not only in my classroom with the
> students as I showed in the SqueakFest, but also in my thesis, so if you
> can help me with quick answers, I will be a lot thankful,
>
> Cheers from Colombia,
>
> Offray
>
> Yoshiki Ohshima escribió:
>   
>>   Offray,
>>
>>
>>     
>>> ¿Do you think is feasible to implement the same model in Kedama? If
>>> yes,
>>>       
>>   My feeling is, yes, it looks feasible.
>>
>>
>>     
>>> ¿Where is the best way to start implementing it?
>>>
>>>       
>>   You can drop a Sketch onto a KedamaWorld to "fill" the world with
>> turtles.  Then, you create 5 patch variables each of which represents
>> a "trait" in your example.  You add properties that is called
>> something like "origX" and "origY", and write scripts to save and
>> restore the turtles' positions into these.  To cache the traits value,
>> turtles should have 5 properties to save the values in the patch
>> variables as well (See the example of ForestFire on the web.)
>>
>>   To initialize the patch variables, the ForestFire example should be
>> helpful.  It initializes the map of forest with 1 or 0 value.  In this
>> example, the initial values are in the range of 0 to 9 (or 1-10), but
>> can be done in a similar manner.
>>
>>   At each step, the turtles first cache the values in patch variables
>> to the own properties.  Then, they move around and compare the values
>> in the cache with the values in neighboring patch variables, and
>> modify the cached values.  At last, they return to the original
>> position, and write back the cached values into the patch variables.
>>
>>   The modification made to the cached values
>> is the core of the program, and it may require some amount of
>> tile-scripting, but in principle, this should work.
>>
>> -- Yoshiki
>>
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