[Newbies] squeak and the jvm

Michael Kohout mwkohout at gmail.com
Wed Nov 8 16:50:50 UTC 2006

Sweet.  I've heard of Strongtalk, don't know much about it, but great.

But in my humble opinion, if running on the jvm will allow people to
use the java libs and allow "plugins" written in java(thus lowering
the barrier of entry for people like me, since we'd no longer have to
rebuild the whole vm) that would be a real bon to bringing
smalltalk/squeak into the corporate world.

At my employer(the largest state university system in the state of
Minnesota,  aka MnSCU) yesterday we had our first meeting about a new,
multiyear project we're embarking on.  We settled on Spring, JPA, and
Struts 1.3.  *Settled* being the operative word.  No one is happy.  We
like Squeak and it's image based development, ease in testing, and
quick development cycles.  BUT we must have stuff like Oracle support
and broad, well documented apis(and no, 'look at the source' doesn't
count) before we can throw millions of dollars at a project using it.

Squeak, if it hitches itself to the jvm, and if it allows people to
use Java APIs with the minimum of fuss, and doesn't lose it's soul in
the process could come into very common usage.  And you'd all be
carried like heroes through my cube farm.

Mike Kohout
On 11/8/06, Ron Teitelbaum <Ron at usmedrec.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> There are some really talented people doing some of this now.  See:
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-September/108634
> .html
> But what is even more exciting to me is the Strongtalk VM.  The guys that
> wrote the Java VM first wrote Strongtalk.  Sun shelved it but recently
> released the VM as Open Source.  What I would like to see is a Strongtalk VM
> for Squeak!
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-September/108247
> .html
> Ron Teitelbaum
> President / Principal Software Engineer
> US Medical Record Specialists
> Ron at USMedRec.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Kohout
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:56 AM
> >
> > I suppose this is more of a pie in the sky type question, but with the
> > changes coming to the Java virtual machine in version 7, where the jvm
> > itself provides a more message oriented opcode, has any consideration
> > gone into perhaps porting squeak to run on the jvm?
> >
> > I'm aware of talks2 but it seems as if development on that
> > effort(based on the public releases/news) is at a standstill.
> >
> > thanks
> > Mike Kohout
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