[Newbies] How to install packages? Scamper chicken and egg problem

Mon Dec 31 18:13:44 UTC 2007

THANK YOU JANKO!!!!

"Squeak By Example" is EXACTLY what I need. Gosh, I wish I had known
about it earlier; it would have saved me hours and hours of flailing
around. I instead spent considerable time following the "laser game"
tutorial, which was very helpful in some ways, but jumped right into
programming without covering the basics. I started with it instead of
the book since it is listed first in the documentation section on
www.squeak.org and the description says "Starting out with Squeak?
Start here!". Hmmm. Perhaps the book is a better place to start.

Thanks again! You have pulled me out of the quicksand and got me back
on the learning curve.

-- John

On Dec 31, 2007 11:24 AM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
> John,
>
> Nice to hear that you succeed now wit your installation. For more (and
> about working on Mac) I strongly suggest you to look in on-line book
> Squeak by example: http://www.squeakbyexample.org/. Very interesting
> read in any case!
>
> Janko
>
>
> John Koger wrote:
> > Thanks, Janko!!!
> >
> > Alas, this does not work on my Mac. Right-clicking on the desired
> > version (or anywhere on the SqueakMap Package Browser) brings up the
> > "halo" of things I can change / do to the SPB window (menu icon,
> > collapse icon, viewer icon, etc.). No popup.
> >
> > BUT! AHA! Your tip just needs to be translated into Mac-speak!
> >
> > A bit of flailing around with key-chord / mouseclick combos reveals...
> > I need to press Alt (or Option) and left-click on the version number
> > to get the popup menu!!!! Ta-da!!! It installs!!!
> >
> > And--I just noticed this--there is a tiny square in the upper-right
> > corner of the package list window. Clicking on this tiny square also
> > brings up the popup menu.
> >
> > (Wow, I gotta say, to be painfully honest, that step is completely
> > non-obvious on a Mac! I'll see if I can figure out who developed the
> > SPB and leave a note about the popup menu. Something that is so
> > important shouldn't be that hard to find. The square needs to be a lot
> > bigger, and the action to bring up the menu needs to be something more
> > intuitive than Alt-leftclick. Maybe there could be a button that
> > appears in the description window, or left-clicking on the URL in the
> > descriptiion window will bring up the popup menu?)
> >
> > Anyway, back to the Scamper install. Well, it did install, almost.
> >
> > Now I get a pop-up error window after the install chugs along for a
> > few seconds: "Error occurred during install: UndefinedObject>>flush.
> > Would you like to open a debugger?" I click "No". I am a newbie and
> > not yet debugger-compatible. Afterwards, I still get the same "parse"
> > error when I try to find the Scamper object. But maybe that is a
> > incompatibility between the current versions of the VM, Image, and
> > Scamper? I'll try installing a few other packages and see how far I
> > get.
> >
> > OK, I tried to install the big "Balloon 3D" package, and it installed
> > just fine, and I can find a "B3DMorph" object and play with it without
> > errors, so I am thinking that the Scamper "parse" and "flush" errors
> > must be unique to Scamper.
> >
> > Thanks again for the help!!!
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 7:44 AM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
> >> Hi John,
> >> The fastes and and always workable steps to install Squeak packages are:
> >>
> >> 1. left click on Squeak desktop to get a popu menu and choose Open...
> >> 2. Choose SqueakMap Package Browser
> >> 3. Say Yes to "The map on this is more than 10 days old.", if this arise
> >> 4. Choose you package and click on arow to get its versions
> >> 5. Choose a version and right click to get popup
> >> 6. Choose Install
> >>
> >> So, from your description you missed the 5th and 6th step. I hope this
> >> will now help you install without problems.
> >>
> >> Janko
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John Koger wrote:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> I'm very new to Squeak, so this is probably just the result of me
> >>> doing something dumb. I'm having a hard time installing any packages.
> >>>
> >>> Here's what I've done:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Downloaded and installed Squeak3.9-7067mac vm 3.8.18beta1U
> >>>
> >>> 2. Double-clicked on "Squeak3.9-final-7067.image" file. The Squeak VM
> >>> started up just fine.
> >>>
> >>> 3. From the "Welcome to Squeak - an open Smalltalk system" window,
> >>> clicked on "SMLoader open" to run the SqueakMap Package Loader.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Selected a package, any package.  Let's say "15-Puzzle (->1.1)",
> >>> the first one in the list.
> >>>
> >>> 5. Clicked on the expansion arrow for "15-Puzzle (->1.1).
> >>>
> >>> 6. Clicked on the "1.1" subheading.
> >>>
> >>> 7. Clicked on the "Download:" link in the right-hand (description) window pane.
> >>>
> >>> 8. A pop-up window appeared: "Open a browser to view this URL?" Clicked "Yes".
> >>>
> >>> 9. A pop-up warning appeared: "There are no WebBrowser applications
> >>> registered." Clicked "OK".
> >>>
> >>> 10. A pop-up window appeared: "Couldn't find a web browser. View page
> >>> as source?" Clicked "Cancel".
> >>>
> >>> Hmmmm. OK, well, it is a bit surprising that the web browser isn't
> >>> included in the base image, but never mind, I'll just install it
> >>> first. I remember seeing somewhere that the browser is called
> >>> "Scamper".
> >>>
> >>> 11. Scrolled down in SMLoader to "Scamper (->12)", clicked on
> >>> expansion arrowhead, clicked on "12" subheading.
> >>>
> >>> 12. Copied "http://www.squeaksource.com/Scamper/Scamper-kfr.12.mcz"
> >>> into my Firefox browser and download the file. (Did the "copy" by
> >>> hand; could select the text of the filename, but couldn't Copy it.)
> >>>
> >>> 13. Put the "Scamper-kfr.12.mcz" file in the "Squeak3.9-7067mac vm
> >>> 3.8.18beta1U" directory.
> >>>
> >>> 14. Flailed around, trying to figure out how to get Squeak to open the
> >>> file. Eventually just drag-and-dropped the file onto the Squeak
> >>> window.
> >>>
> >>> 15. A pop-up window appeared: "open in zip viewer / extract all to ...
> >>> / load". Select "load" (it sounded like what I wanted).
> >>>
> >>> 16. A pop-up window appeared: "loading snapshot/source.st".
> >>>
> >>> Now we're getting somewhere! Or are we? Where is the browser? OK, it's
> >>> loaded but not instantiated or something. I need to select it from one
> >>> of Squeak's many browsers. Objects, maybe?
> >>>
> >>> 17. Clicked on the "objects" flap.
> >>>
> >>> 18. Clicked on "alphabetic".
> >>>
> >>> 19. Clicked on "s".
> >>>
> >>> 20. A window came up: "MessageNotUnderstood: UndefinedObject>>parse:".
> >>> First line in window is "UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
> >>> #parse.
> >>>
> >>> Um, that's not good. OK, I give. How do I install Scamper? Or any
> >>> package, for that matter?
> >>>
> >>> TIA,
> >>> John Koger
> >>
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