[Newbies] Windows

David Zmick dz0004455 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 15 02:03:13 UTC 2008

A good commercial smalltalk, that you can get for free, but, the free
version is not licensed for commercial use, is, VisualWorks smalltalk by
Cincom.  I think it looks pretty good also, on windows anyway, on anything
else, it doesn't look great.

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'd give wxSqueak a try if you want to stick with Squeak.  There's a new
> version, 0.5.1 at www.wxsqueak.org, that runs as promised right out of the
> box on Windows.  Make sure to open the image with the provided VM if you
> have associated file names on Windows.  Then, go to the "Windows" Transcript
> "Window" menu, select "Demo," and marvel at all the work that has been done!
> Rob
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Michael van der Gulik <mikevdg at gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Roger Thedog <jeff at gingertom.com> wrote:
>>> I have looked at a couple of tutorials for Morphic but they are pretty
>>> low
>>> level. Is there a guide or a framework I can look at for writing windows
>>> that you would typically expect to see in a corporate application
>>> environment?
>> Morphic is a bit ugly (visually and architecturally) for creating a
>> corporate application. You could, in theory, do it, but I've never had fun
>> using Morphic directly. I use ToolBuilder instead.
>> Like David Zmick said, wxSqueak and GTK for Squeak exist. I don't know
>> much about them.
>> The best option, using Squeak, is to look at Seaside for making web-based
>> applications. http://www.seaside.st/. Web based applications seem to be
>> all the craze these days.
>> Otherwise, for a commercial application with a real GUI rather than a
>> web-based one(*), it's probably better to use a commercial Smalltalk.
>> http://www.smalltalk.org/ has a list of them. I've heard that VisualWorks
>> is quite good, although other people may suggest others.
>> Gulik.
>> (*) The implication that web-based GUIs are fake is my opinion only.
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