[Newbies] Squeak Guilt

Mark Volkmann mark at ociweb.com
Tue Dec 16 15:53:51 UTC 2008

On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:49 AM, David Mitchell wrote:

> A tip for integrating Squeak into your non-Squeak work.
> Use it for tools, reports, and other little bits of glue. People  
> don't think of Squeak as a great glue language, but I've had  
> excellent results.
> Since there is almost no OS integration, you can install Squeak  
> merely by unzipping a file. Unlike a lot of other languages that  
> need a shell (and is often locked down) Squeak does not.
> I use Seaside to develop little desktop applications at work. I put  
> a one-click install on a local file server, Since one-click only  
> requires extracting to a folder, even our relatively locked down  
> users at work can extract a ZIP to a folder. I put two icons in the  
> folder. One to start the server (minimized) and one that is just a  
> URL to localhost.
> I have dozens of unsophisticated, regular users and none of them  
> complain about Squeak's looks. In fact, since I import our corporate  
> brand CSS, it all looks very official.

That sounds great for applications with a web interface, but I wish  
there was a more attractive, easier way to do the same thing with  
Squeak-based non-web applications.

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Ryan Zerby <tahognome at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> You've hit on a lot of my exact reasons.  When I make an application,
> it would be nice to be able to show it to my friends, and there is
> zero chance that they will actually install squeak.  I can get away
> with this for some things by using the webbased squeak app... but not
> for desktop things. I like writing casual games and the AI applicable
> to them.
> I could live with Squeak being an island if I were able to use it for
> my day-to-day internet use. From what I've seen, squeak doesn't even
> have a usable webbrowser... I  can't read the newbies list from inside
> squeak, nor can I search the web for documentation and such.
> So, I can't really run outside of squeak, and I can't really run
> inside of squeak, but have this weird hybrid.
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Mark Volkmann

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