[squeak-dev] Re: [Newbies] Seaside vs. AIDA
stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Fri Mar 21 07:21:23 UTC 2008
have a look at the seaside mailing-list archive!
I'm not sure that it is possible to get more support and feedback than
there is **any** mailing-list.
On Mar 20, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Rob Rothwell wrote:
> I am both "new" to Smalltalk (been staring at an "empty" browser for
> a couple of years!) and to Aida, but believed in the ability of
> Smalltalk to be the right tool for the job to build some tools I
> need in a Healthcare Environment. I didn't know which to choose
> As a new Smalltalker, I couldn't understand Seaside to the point
> where I could figure out how things worked and how to do something
> with it WITHOUT following a tutorial line by line--and yet it felt
> very "meta-capable." Just beyond me! However, I have no doubt it
> can do great things. It just feels very theory-based for a
> newcomer. I felt like I HAD to understand web programming and HTML
> just to make it work.
> Aida, I got. Very down to earth. Almost like "PRINT 'Hello'". It
> seems to abstract the web aspect a little better (for me). While I
> still have to ask for help, I'm usually "almost there" on my own.
> It just seems to "make sense" to me. I think I have actually been
> able to turn a major Smalltalk learning curve because of Aida. I
> like the strong Model-View relationship it forces you to use, and,
> indeed, supports what I am calling the "Model-View-Design" triad
> whereby (if I actually knew more CSS) it is relatively
> straightforward to restyle your site separate from your view and
> from your model. (I am SURE Seaside does this too...again...how?!).
> I'm not trying to make a pitch either way, I just followed the "keep
> it simple" motto and went with what I could understand, and yet I
> still worry about my choice occasionally because of the very large
> Seaside bandwagon--Will there be more examples available? Will I be
> able to get more help with Seaside? All that stuff.
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if the objective facts
> pointed out that Seaside was better, smarter, faster...it still
> wouldn't work for ME right now because I can't make it work. Aida
> could be that way for you--I would go with whichever fits YOU better
> (or your team), because they both seem like mature products that
> will be around for a while.
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Leon Smith <lsmith at leonsmith.com>
> I don't want to start a war here, but I have been through the first
> with both Seaside and AIDA/Web, enough to build the start of a web
> Before I make the commitment to one or the other, I wonder if anyone
> done a recent, objective comparison between the two ?
> They both seem very capable. I felt like I turned out a better looking
> product a little easier with AIDA, but I sense that Seaside has a much
> larger following. I also wonder if continuations are that important
> to me.
> They also have a great many similarities. To the point where I think
> I could
> change AIDA to use a lot of Seaside if not the other way around.
> Any real experiences between the two will be most appreciated. This
> is a
> major decision point for me.
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