[Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?
lenglish5 at cox.net
Mon Nov 23 10:10:22 UTC 2009
Conrad Taylor wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Lawson English <lenglish5 at cox.net
> <mailto:lenglish5 at cox.net>> wrote:
> Steve Wessels wrote:
> That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough
> to be part of a team developing financial software for many
> years using Smalltalk.
> People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as often as
> Apple's death.
> I think comparisons between Smalltalk and Java have to take
> marketing into account.
> Paying Smalltalk work is harder to find. Here's an
> interesting twist. Companies looking for skilled Object
> Oriented developers, if they understand what they need, will
> seek programmers with Smalltalk experience.
> Speaking as a long-term script kiddie who likes to collect
> languages, I can tell you that the main reason(s) why *I* find
> Smalltalk difficult to use involve(s): lack of documentation, lack
> of well-documented example code, lack of compsci teaching
> materials written with Smalltalk for the example code, etc. Notice
> a trend?
> When I first encountered Smalltalk, it was through the course material
> for CS 497 and Ralph Johnson was the instructor. It was an
> intermediate undergraduate and graduate course on object oriented
> programming (OOP). Thus, it wasn't a course for the entry level
> computer science student but it should have been because I learned
> more in this course than any of my other computer science courses.
> The course used the following textbooks:
> Design Patterns by Ralph Johnson et al
> Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns by Kent Beck
> Design Patterns: The Smalltalk Companion by Alpert et al (optional
> but well worth it)
I tried to find that course. The video links still exist, but the videos
themselves seem to be offline.
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