[Newbies] Using Squeak to teach undergrads OOP

[waufrepi III]

Hello,
   Lawson.... unfortunately I don't have any previous class notes to point
to because I didn't study here as an undergrad and am just beginning to
establish relationship throughout the department.
   thanks to everyone for your input.

Best, wfpi

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Lawson English <lenglish5 at cox.net> wrote:

> waufrepi III wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>  I was talking to one of my Professors about Squeak the other day and I
>> got an mail asking:
>> "I had lunch with several of the other CS faculty yesterday and I brought
>> up your enthusiasm for smalltalk, which I've never used. Some of the faculty
>> panned it because they claimed the I/O features were either poor or
>> nonexistent. [Java will never be displaced as the first language at
>> ............] What is your impression of the I/O abilities of smalltalk?
>> There is much discussion about the need to learn a language with OOP
>> features before Java.
>>
>> I'm still a novice and I actually haven't been able to play with squeak
>> much lately do to other classwork..so rather than blow an opportunity for
>> squeak I thought I'd ask here and see what the pros say.
>> wfpi
>>
>
> I'm a squeak beginner myself. I can tell you from experience that squeak is
> a contradictory conglomeration of wonderful features and lame
> implementations that may or may not make it suitable for teaching a given
> intro-to-OOP class. Can you point us to class notes from previous classes
> from the same institution where Java or C# or C++ or Python was used? It is
> entirely possible that Squeak doesn't have good coverage of the facilities
> (other than OOP itself) that are expected from a modern language for that
> particular class. It is also entirely possible that the professors don't
> know what they are talking about.
>
> Without more information, it's all conjecture.
>
>
> Lawson
>
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