[Newbies] Best list box morph
bert at freudenbergs.de
Sat Mar 27 21:29:30 UTC 2010
On 27.03.2010, at 22:22, Jerome Peace wrote:
> --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Gary Dunn <osp at aloha.com> wrote:
>> From: Gary Dunn <osp at aloha.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Newbies] Best list box morph
>> To: "Squeak Beginners List" <beginners at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 5:31 PM
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:31:39 -0500
>> David Mitchell <david.mitchell at gmail.com>
>>> Have you looked at Maui?
>> Yes, Maui is beautiful. I have ridden the Hana Road by
>> bicycle four times. Paia is famous for wind surfing.
>> Oh, that Maui. I am not looking for yet another quirky UI
>> builder. My goal is to teach high school students how to
>> construct simple, focused apps using morphs. In tcl/tk I
>> find list boxes useful building blocks and am supprised not
>> to find any on the Objects tab.
>> Installing from SqueakMap fails because Maui breaks
>> Installing from Montecello fails because what I see looks
>> nothing like what the wiki page describes, and the load
>> generates a long list of warnings.
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Jerome Peace
>> <peace_the_dreamer at yahoo.com>
>>> From your description it sounds like you are trying to
>> mimic what a pdf
>>> reader does (or
>>> what a web page does) with a index table of contents
>> in the left frame and
>>> the file contents
>>> or page in the right frame. Is that correct?
>> Yes, but this is a specific example of a more generalized
>>> Assuming you could program it could you mock up the
>> visuals for a page
>>> without worring
>>> about how it would work dynamically?
>> Did that. Not on winning path.
> Ummm. The reason I asked was so I could get a look at what you wanted?
> First rule of trouble shooting is first hand information.
>>> The other interesting thing to do is look at a simple
>> browser and see how
>>> it works.
>>> Usually there is a window which has a model. Inside
>> the window there are
>>> components such
>>> as pluggalbe lists and pluggable texts holders etc.
>> Something, probably the
>>> model suggest
>>> how to layout the frames in the window. The various
>> components communicate
>>> with each other
>>> by announcing changes and listening for update
>> Sounds like old fashioned Smalltalk. I want students to
>> become productive using Viewers and tiles and scripts.
>> Tearing apart System Browser will come later.
> Finding answers comes first. That usually means asking the definitive source what it thinks. Which is why I pointed to the closest example.
> I'd like to help but you haven't described what you what sufficently so that I might. Squeak is frustrating in that it will get you nearly close to knowing how to do what you want yet still remain far far away from the precise goal.
> There are now several different flavors, each pulling developers away from the old branch. Each with their own specialties. No one can earn an easy living maintaining free software. So often the last thing a user needs will not be there until they create it.
> Squeak.org is associated with the fine folks at squeak dev producers of various versions of squeak. VPRI (Alan Kay's company) are most closely associated with Etoys and the fine folks at Squeakland. They are the one's dedicated to the educational use of squeak via etoys. With the winding down of the OLPC project work on Etoys they also are strapped for resources.
While this is almost true, let me point out one correction: VPRI is not involved with Etoys anymore, not as an institution anyway. Etoys is in the hands of the Squeakland community now. Anyone is welcome to help.
- Bert -
> Pharo is a very vital offshoot community under the direction of Stephane Ducasse. They have the help of Gary Chambers who has spiffied up the Morphic UI. They are dedicated to the "adult" uses of sqeuak (a core useful for web design and univerity level academic exploration.)
> All free and all as valuable to your enquiry as their price.
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> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
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