[Newbies] I don't get it

[Erlis Vidal]

Hi guys,

thanks for all responses, I hope to find more insight about this.

here is the interview in which Jim make the statement

http://www.infoq.com/interviews/coplien-dci-architecture

Minute 8:08

Erlis

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>wrote:

> Maybe Trygve will explain? Not sure if he's reading the newbies list
> though. CC'ing.
>
> - Bert -
>
> On 21.06.2011, at 16:27, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>
> Hi Erlis,****
> ** **
> Class based language is very difficult for some people to grasp.  I’ve
> trained a number of programmers.  There is this AH moment when people get
> it.  Before that the idea is just so foreign to them that they have a
> difficult time grasping what is going on.  I would often get the question,
> “but where do I put the code”.  The answer is everywhere.  Thinking in terms
> of objects and programming their behavior makes sense.  People get that.
> Make a Robot and teach it how to walk.  If I tell the robot to walk she
> does.  Ok great.  Now I have all these objects that do stuff where do I put
> the code?  This is where people stumble.  In my opinion the leap to
> understanding is very short.  The answer is simple.  (Answer: It depends on
> how you want to interact with the user). ****
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> I do not believe that anything is screwed up.  It is just a conceptual
> model that requires AH!****
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>  *From:* beginners-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:
> beginners-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] *On Behalf Of *Erlis Vidal
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:47 AM
> *To:* smalltalk
> *Subject:* [Newbies] I don't get it****
> ** **
> Hi guys,
>
> I was reading recently Jim Coplien ideas about DCI and I was surprised with
> the following statement:
>
> *"The Smalltalk people, when they put together Smalltalk originally the
> computational model was exactly right, in terms of thinking in terms of
> objects. And then they screwed it up with the language. The language is so
> class focused! Most languages that we’re saddled with today had made this
> error."
> *
> you can find it here:
> http://blog.redtexture.net/2010/06/01/coplien-on-dci-mvc/
>
> Does someone knows what Jim is criticizing? In which sense the
> computational model was screwed by the language? I see smalltalk as a
> language that express very well the intended computational model behind.
>
> But that's just me, maybe some of you could help me to understand Jim's
> point.
>
> Thanks
> Erlis****
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