[Newbies] status of the 'mvc' environment?
Mayuresh Kathe
mayuresh at kathe.in
Sat Sep 6 07:57:01 UTC 2014
hirzel, thanks for the note.
btw, what do you mean by _late_ andreas raab? has he passed away or
something?
hope that's not true.
i will be going for an earlier version, thanks for reminding me about
that approach.
~mayuresh
On 2014-09-06 10:10, H. Hirzel wrote:
> Mayuresh,
>
> There is a thread in the mail archive
>
> Subject: All MVC image
> Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM
>
> It mentions an MVC image done by Sungjin Chun which the late Andreas
> Raab considered very fine.
>
> The MVC implementation in the current squeak still has problems.
>
> So if you are interested in MVC I suggest that you go for an earlier
> version.
>
> (Or you try Cuis which is Morphic only -- reworked by Juan Vuletich --
> but is fast https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev --
> only 600 classes in the image)
>
>
> --Hannes
>
>
>
> On 9/6/14, Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Woot! I can't answer your question, but I do have a strong interest in
>> being able to unload the Morphic environment. In something like a web
>> server, Morphic just wastes a lot of CPU cycles, and MVC is much less
>> expensive (as we've seen on lower end machines like the Raspberry Pi,)
>> so
>> it would be fantastic to elevate it to its former glory as a complete
>> solution to the user interface of applications which do not require
>> the
>> flexibility of the Morphic environment, like the system browser.
>>
>> Unfortunately, while I have plenty of experience with the MVC
>> "pattern," I
>> have only really just sat in awe of how fast Squeak runs inside an MVC
>> project. Having someone around who's returning after 14 years of
>> wandering
>> might be just what I need to make myself useful in this regard. I know
>> that
>> David Lewis is also interested in seeing the MVC system a viable
>> option for
>> development again (IIRC he fixed some serious problems with the
>> debugger,)
>> and I imagine that at least some of the Seaside folks would love to
>> drop
>> the overhead of Morphic from their servers.
>>
>> I'm moving this conversation to squeak-dev, as it's more about
>> remodelling
>> and redecorating a part of the core of Squeak and less about using it
>> in
>> general. If you aren't subscribed there, you should be, or you'll end
>> up in
>> the moderator's queue, which can take a (relatively) longish time to
>> turn
>> around.
>>
>> If the community doesn't take the bait, feel free to contact me
>> offline.
>> Maybe there's a common point of interest and we can team up.
>>
>> --Casey Ransberger
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello,
>>>
>>> i am returning to squeak after a gap of 14 years.
>>> back then, i used to work only within the 'mvc' environment as
>>> morphic
>>> hadn't taken off the way it has now.
>>>
>>> i still prefer the simplicity and lightness of the 'mvc' environment.
>>>
>>> at last use, the 'mvc' environment felt quite sluggish and crashed my
>>> squeak session multiple times.
>>> hope all is well!
>>>
>>> ~mayuresh
>>>
>>> ps: if boris gaertner is still around, could he please mail me
>>> off-list!
>>>
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