[Newbies] status of the 'mvc' environment?

Mayuresh Kathe mayuresh at kathe.in
Sat Sep 6 07:57:01 UTC 2014

hirzel, thanks for the note.

btw, what do you mean by _late_ andreas raab? has he passed away or 
hope that's not true.

i will be going for an earlier version, thanks for reminding me about 
that approach.


On 2014-09-06 10:10, H. Hirzel wrote:
> Mayuresh,
> There is a thread in the mail archive
> Subject: All MVC image
> Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM
> It mentions an MVC image done by Sungjin Chun which the late Andreas
> Raab considered very fine.
> The MVC implementation in the current squeak still has problems.
> So if you are interested in MVC I suggest that you go for an earlier 
> version.
> (Or you try Cuis which is Morphic only -- reworked by Juan Vuletich --
>  but is fast https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev --
> only 600 classes in the image)
> --Hannes
> On 9/6/14, Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Woot! I can't answer your question, but I do have a strong interest in
>> being able to unload the Morphic environment. In something like a web
>> server, Morphic just wastes a lot of CPU cycles, and MVC is much less
>> expensive (as we've seen on lower end machines like the Raspberry Pi,) 
>> so
>> it would be fantastic to elevate it to its former glory as a complete
>> solution to the user interface of applications which do not require 
>> the
>> flexibility of the Morphic environment, like the system browser.
>> Unfortunately, while I have plenty of experience with the MVC 
>> "pattern," I
>> have only really just sat in awe of how fast Squeak runs inside an MVC
>> project. Having someone around who's returning after 14 years of 
>> wandering
>> might be just what I need to make myself useful in this regard. I know 
>> that
>> David Lewis is also interested in seeing the MVC system a viable 
>> option for
>> development again (IIRC he fixed some serious problems with the 
>> debugger,)
>> and I imagine that at least some of the Seaside folks would love to 
>> drop
>> the overhead of Morphic from their servers.
>> I'm moving this conversation to squeak-dev, as it's more about 
>> remodelling
>> and redecorating a part of the core of Squeak and less about using it 
>> in
>> general. If you aren't subscribed there, you should be, or you'll end 
>> up in
>> the moderator's queue, which can take a (relatively) longish time to 
>> turn
>> around.
>> If the community doesn't take the bait, feel free to contact me 
>> offline.
>> Maybe there's a common point of interest and we can team up.
>> --Casey Ransberger
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in> 
>> wrote:
>>> hello,
>>> i am returning to squeak after a gap of 14 years.
>>> back then, i used to work only within the 'mvc' environment as 
>>> morphic
>>> hadn't taken off the way it has now.
>>> i still prefer the simplicity and lightness of the 'mvc' environment.
>>> at last use, the 'mvc' environment felt quite sluggish and crashed my
>>> squeak session multiple times.
>>> hope all is well!
>>> ~mayuresh
>>> ps: if boris gaertner is still around, could he please mail me 
>>> off-list!
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