[Newbies] status of the 'mvc' environment?
ron at usmedrec.com
Sat Sep 6 11:24:11 UTC 2014
> hirzel, thanks for the note.
> btw, what do you mean by _late_ andreas raab? has he passed away or
> hope that's not true.
Very sad. Yes it is true he passed away early last year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Raab
> i will be going for an earlier version, thanks for reminding me about that
> On 2014-09-06 10:10, H. Hirzel wrote:
> > Mayuresh,
> > There is a thread in the mail archive
> > Subject: All MVC image
> > Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM
> > It mentions an MVC image done by Sungjin Chun which the late Andreas
> > Raab considered very fine.
> > The MVC implementation in the current squeak still has problems.
> > So if you are interested in MVC I suggest that you go for an earlier
> > version.
> > (Or you try Cuis which is Morphic only -- reworked by Juan Vuletich --
> > but is fast https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev --
> > only 600 classes in the image)
> > --Hannes
> > On 9/6/14, Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Woot! I can't answer your question, but I do have a strong interest
> >> in being able to unload the Morphic environment. In something like a
> >> web server, Morphic just wastes a lot of CPU cycles, and MVC is much
> >> less expensive (as we've seen on lower end machines like the
> >> Raspberry Pi,) so it would be fantastic to elevate it to its former
> >> glory as a complete solution to the user interface of applications
> >> which do not require the flexibility of the Morphic environment, like
> >> the system browser.
> >> Unfortunately, while I have plenty of experience with the MVC
> >> "pattern," I have only really just sat in awe of how fast Squeak runs
> >> inside an MVC project. Having someone around who's returning after 14
> >> years of wandering might be just what I need to make myself useful in
> >> this regard. I know that David Lewis is also interested in seeing the
> >> MVC system a viable option for development again (IIRC he fixed some
> >> serious problems with the
> >> debugger,)
> >> and I imagine that at least some of the Seaside folks would love to
> >> drop the overhead of Morphic from their servers.
> >> I'm moving this conversation to squeak-dev, as it's more about
> >> remodelling and redecorating a part of the core of Squeak and less
> >> about using it in general. If you aren't subscribed there, you should
> >> be, or you'll end up in the moderator's queue, which can take a
> >> (relatively) longish time to turn around.
> >> If the community doesn't take the bait, feel free to contact me
> >> offline.
> >> Maybe there's a common point of interest and we can team up.
> >> --Casey Ransberger
> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
> >> wrote:
> >>> hello,
> >>> i am returning to squeak after a gap of 14 years.
> >>> back then, i used to work only within the 'mvc' environment as
> >>> morphic hadn't taken off the way it has now.
> >>> i still prefer the simplicity and lightness of the 'mvc' environment.
> >>> at last use, the 'mvc' environment felt quite sluggish and crashed
> >>> my squeak session multiple times.
> >>> hope all is well!
> >>> ~mayuresh
> >>> ps: if boris gaertner is still around, could he please mail me
> >>> off-list!
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