[Newbies] What happened to all the toys?

David T. Lewis lewis at mail.msen.com
Wed Oct 14 22:00:04 UTC 2015

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 08:04:10PM +0200, Herbert K??nig wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> my two cents on this:
> Squeak has few resources nowadays and nobody (including me) has 
> continued to work on these things.
> For me the big breakdown was that project save broke in 4.5.
> The big plus of Squeak for me is it's backwards compatibility. So I 
> develop in 4.4 and if I need the speed of the new VM I just deploy it on 
> 5.0. This is for example all my Raspberry Pi work.
> I did a lot of work in 3.8 which afaik has all the toys you mention and 
> some development tools I like. Basically with todays computers it runs 
> fast as lightning compared to then. You'll need to find the latest 
> interpreter (non cog, non spur) VM, I'll happily mail you the one I'm 
> using. I assume I could just take the mcz's (Monticello) and load them 
> in a current Squeak to run them. Maybe I'll do that shortly when I 
> revisit my neural networks stuff.

The VMs at www.squeakvm.org are suitable for running Squeak 3.8. There
is a link ("Classic VMs") from the downloads page on squeak.org.


> Bottom line:
> I'm happy Squeak makes the great progress (imho) it makes and I have to 
> compensate for the losses unless I'm willing to do the work. I suggest 
> you try a 3.8 image to find your toys and do new stuff in 5.0 unless you 
> need to save projects across images. If so, 4.4 is the latest one.
> Squeak incl. 5.0 is such a great environment to be working in!
> Cheers,
> Herbert
> Am 14.10.2015 um 16:46 schrieb Eric Scharff:
> >I was an active Squeak user around 10 years ago, but (I admit 
> >sheepishly) I disappeared.
> >
> >I went to rediscover Squeak and downloaded a 4.6 image, but found that 
> >many of the toys I wanted to play with are no longer part of the 
> >standard image such as:
> >  * Freecell
> >  * The Piano Keyboard morph and the Piano Roll midi reader/editor
> >  * The chess game
> >
> >I guess I could download an older image, but are any of these 
> >available in a more recent version of Squeak? Would a Squeak 3.2 image 
> >even work properly on a new VM? I'd bet there would be some plugin 
> >version mismatches...
> >
> >I opened up SqueakMap, clicked "Update", and saw a whole lot of 
> >packages, but I clearly don't understand the UI. If these packages 
> >were available somewhere, I couldn't figure out how to use it.
> >
> >Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> >
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