[Newbies] Hi squeak mailing list

blubee blubeeme gurenchan at gmail.com
Mon Dec 12 12:09:50 UTC 2016

Hi guys

Thanks for all the great resources. i looked before mailing and I did find
a lot of these items but some are new to me. Squeak is definitely an
interesting project and I'll be around lurking and whatnot.


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray at riseup.net> wrote:

> Welcome Owen!
> These questions has been raised time and again, with long discussions and
> pretty exaggerated statements, like Smalltalk is dead[1][2] and interesting
> conversations about why it didn't become mainstream, or how its ideas have
> mutated and live in pretty successful products like containers (ie:
> docker). I recommend you to check tose lins.
> [1] http://wiki.c2.com/?WhyIsSmalltalkDead
> [2] https://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/
> smalltalk-is-dead-long-live-smalltalk/
> In my case, I found Squeak 10 years ago, I had some teaching experience
> using Etoys, Scracth and Bots Inc for a couple of years and to research on
> my master studies, now I came back since mid 2014 with Pharo[3] making the
> research for my PhD [4]. In the last ESUG 2016, the Squeak team celebrated
> the 20 years with the release of the 5.0 version with a lot of improvement.
> I was really glad to be there and see this vibrant community and be part of
> it.
> [3] http://pharo.org/
> [4] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html
> On the hardware question, there was some SqueakNOS (if I remember
> correctly) for Squeak No Operative System that runs directly on hardware,
> but that seems like a long path for me. My idea would be to put it as an
> additional app that runs with the rest of your tablet/phone/laptop and
> progressively provides a coherent experience for the fractured world of
> computing.
> Pharo/Smalltalk is the environment I feel most empowered these days and
> because of the "native live coding" experience, I can make agile prototypes
> of ideas and evolve them. We have a recurrent Critical Code+Data Literacy &
> Visualization workshop [5], so I can share the joy of Smalltalk with other
> learners and bridge it with current themes and issues where I think that
> Smalltalk ideas are particularly well suited: data activism, data
> visualization, reproducible research, data driven storytelling, modeling,
> open government and others.
> [5] http://mutabit.com/dataweek/
> So, despite of not being mainstream, I think that Smalltalk ecosystem is
> pretty vital and healthy, we can share the joy with others and learn with
> them without too much concern about popularity*
> Welcome again,
> Offray
> * Popularity seems a recurrent concern in United States culture, as the
> popular TV shows and movies show all the time, and the cliche story moment
> where everybody needs to acknowledge some personal, romantic or other
> achievement and clap... but maybe mainstream TV shows, Cinema and news are
> not the proper view point for culture :-)
> On 10/12/16 09:37, blubee blubeeme wrote:
> Hello
> I recently came across Alan Kay's talks on youtube, then that lead me to
> Dan Ingalls and looking at smalltalk, squeak and object oriented
> programming as thought up by Alan Kay in the 1960s.
> I wonder how come this type of computing isn't the mainstream. We've seen
> other OS pop up since then that were a lot less capable that got some
> mainstream success.
> It seems like this type of computing gets put in the kiddy corner and most
> people don't know about it or those who do kinda use it and sometimes
> people just don't seem to get it.
> Has anyone ever though about making a platform where squeak is customized
> to the hardware, something like android, iphone, bb10 and qnx, etc..
> Also if this is the wrong mailing list, can you point me at the correct
> mailing list for this discussion.
> Best,
> Owen
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