[Newbies] Grafoscopio and the Data Week: Critical code+data literacy practices and pocket infrastructures from/for the Global South

Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas offray at riseup.net
Tue Feb 6 19:53:14 UTC 2018


Thanks Ron and Herbert,

I would rater try to improve a "users lists" that filter commits in a
dev-list. That's one of the interesting points of systems like
discourse: you can create subthreads for particular information and
connect or not to them, create hooks and get only the information you
are interested in.

Seems that we have plenty of channels and I don't know if one more is
going to help with the problem of more fluid communication in the
community that helps with dynamics of governance (like voting). In the
case of Manjaro, I was already in an old forum that was migrated to
discourse, so I don't know a lot about details on managing Spam.
Discourse have spam filters activate and you only get to post a lot of
information with links, if you have interacted with the community
enough, with preset rules. That means that your first post, as a member
could have maybe two links, but you can not start to put a lot of links
in the same post, unless you gain some reputation, which discourages
spammers.

For me the important thing is: can we have a more permanent and fluid
conversation that shows the pulse and vitality of this community? If the
way to do it is to be in the developers list, filter commits with extra
technical info, and having a beginners list with almost no entries, so
we are not addressing properly the transitions and middle places between
users and developers: you have too much info or too little. More
granular information is a place where forums like discourse could help.

Cheers,

Offray


On 06/02/18 12:53, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
> Hi Offray, 
>
> I like the idea of forums. Always have.  Did the Manjaro community
> have trouble with spam?  How is it moderated?  Email lists seem to be
> less vulnerable to spam, although we have received some in the past. 
> Forums seem to need constant moderation to ensure they are not invaded
> by spam.  I seem to remember there was a forum way back when. There is
> a forum interface to the mailing list
> already: http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html
> <http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html>.  What do you
> think Discourse would add to the community over what we have already?  
>
> Also, note there are a few other places where we sort of gather. #IRC
> #squeak http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/squeak/
> <http://tunes.org/%7Enef/logs/squeak/> don't see much going on there. 
> Google Plus
> Group: https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507
> <https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507>.
> Twitter https://twitter.com/SqueakSmalltalk. Planet
> Squeak: http://planet.squeak.org/ and https://news.squeak.org/ wow it
> has been a long time since I made a post!  
>
> I imagine someone probably did a slack channel.  Yes I was
> correct: http://squeak.org/community/ 
>
> All the best,
>
> Ron Teitelbaum
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Herbert König <herbertkoenig at gmx.net
> <mailto:herbertkoenig at gmx.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Offray,
>
>
>     Squeak dev always has been the place to be and newbies was just
>     invented to have a lower hurdle on entry.
>
>     For the automatic traffic there's (spam) filters in your mail program.
>
>
>     Please feel free move over, we are not so many in our community
>     that separate lists are needed.
>
>
>     My 2c.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>
>     Herbert
>
>
>     Am 06.02.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas:
>>
>>     Hi Ron,
>>
>>     I'm just in the beginners list (when I subscribed I was a
>>     beginner and I never thought of myself as a developer). I have
>>     seen the dev list, but there is a lot of automatic mail send by
>>     commit activity. I'm not sure if I want such traffic in my mail
>>     inbox.
>>
>>     Anyway, having proper feedback places is important and I wonder
>>     if some kind of middle place between developers and beginners is
>>     needed. In the Pharo case, the users list has pretty good
>>     activity without details about commits. Maybe beginners is
>>     misleading and we need a users list or setup something like
>>     discourse[1] to improve communication. In the Manjaro case, it
>>     has worked pretty well[2] (but, of course, infrastructure by
>>     itself is not a warranty).
>>
>>     [1] https://www.discourse.org/
>>     [2] http://forum.manjaro.org/
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Offray
>>
>>
>>     On 06/02/18 10:51, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>>>     Offray,
>>>
>>>     Are you signed up on the squeak-dev mailing list or just
>>>     beginners?  I think the members of the Squeak-Dev list would
>>>     enjoy having you there!  You would also get more feedback from
>>>     that group.
>>>
>>>     All the best,
>>>
>>>     Ron
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
>>>     <offray at riseup.net <mailto:offray at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Sorry for the typo, I meant Joseph.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 05/02/18 21:09, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
>>>         > Hi Joshep,
>>>
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