[Newbies] Grafoscopio and the Data Week: Critical code+data literacy practices and pocket infrastructures from/for the Global South
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
offray at riseup.net
Wed Feb 7 00:19:55 UTC 2018
Hi Herbert,
I understand. That confirms my initial assertion, when I said that "I
changed, but community was kind of the same". I'm not a developer, but
some kind of old user coming back (but not a beginner, anymore). I don't
think that there is a need for a new list. Maybe just talking here of
more advanced topics here will show that beginners change, without
becoming devs ;-).
Cheers,
Offray
On 06/02/18 17:22, Herbert König wrote:
>
> Hi Offray,
>
> to make my point more explicit:
>
> IMO our community is small and fragmentation (of communication
> channels) is not helpful. There are some 'special' concerns like VMDev
> and Beginners that 'justify' their own channels but most additional
> Squeak channels have dried out quickly.
>
> Should have said this in the first place instead of giving tips how to
> mitigate what you seemed to dislike on Squeak dev. :-))
>
> Cheers,
>
> Herbert
>
>
> Am 06.02.2018 um 20:53 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas:
>>
>> Thanks Ron and Herbert,
>>
>> I would rater try to improve a "users lists" that filter commits in a
>> dev-list. That's one of the interesting points of systems like
>> discourse: you can create subthreads for particular information and
>> connect or not to them, create hooks and get only the information you
>> are interested in.
>>
>> Seems that we have plenty of channels and I don't know if one more is
>> going to help with the problem of more fluid communication in the
>> community that helps with dynamics of governance (like voting). In
>> the case of Manjaro, I was already in an old forum that was migrated
>> to discourse, so I don't know a lot about details on managing Spam.
>> Discourse have spam filters activate and you only get to post a lot
>> of information with links, if you have interacted with the community
>> enough, with preset rules. That means that your first post, as a
>> member could have maybe two links, but you can not start to put a lot
>> of links in the same post, unless you gain some reputation, which
>> discourages spammers.
>>
>> For me the important thing is: can we have a more permanent and fluid
>> conversation that shows the pulse and vitality of this community? If
>> the way to do it is to be in the developers list, filter commits with
>> extra technical info, and having a beginners list with almost no
>> entries, so we are not addressing properly the transitions and middle
>> places between users and developers: you have too much info or too
>> little. More granular information is a place where forums like
>> discourse could help.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Offray
>>
>>
>> On 06/02/18 12:53, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>>> Hi Offray,
>>>
>>> I like the idea of forums. Always have. Did the Manjaro community
>>> have trouble with spam? How is it moderated? Email lists seem to
>>> be less vulnerable to spam, although we have received some in the
>>> past. Forums seem to need constant moderation to ensure they are
>>> not invaded by spam. I seem to remember there was a forum way back
>>> when. There is a forum interface to the mailing list
>>> already: http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html
>>> <http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html>. What do you
>>> think Discourse would add to the community over what we have already?
>>>
>>> Also, note there are a few other places where we sort of gather.
>>> #IRC #squeak http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/squeak/
>>> <http://tunes.org/%7Enef/logs/squeak/> don't see much going on
>>> there. Google Plus
>>> Group: https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507
>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507>.
>>> Twitter https://twitter.com/SqueakSmalltalk. Planet
>>> Squeak: http://planet.squeak.org/ and https://news.squeak.org/ wow
>>> it has been a long time since I made a post!
>>>
>>> I imagine someone probably did a slack channel. Yes I was
>>> correct: http://squeak.org/community/
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Ron Teitelbaum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Herbert König
>>> <herbertkoenig at gmx.net <mailto:herbertkoenig at gmx.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Offray,
>>>
>>>
>>> Squeak dev always has been the place to be and newbies was just
>>> invented to have a lower hurdle on entry.
>>>
>>> For the automatic traffic there's (spam) filters in your mail
>>> program.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please feel free move over, we are not so many in our community
>>> that separate lists are needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2c.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Herbert
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 06.02.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>
>>>> I'm just in the beginners list (when I subscribed I was a
>>>> beginner and I never thought of myself as a developer). I have
>>>> seen the dev list, but there is a lot of automatic mail send by
>>>> commit activity. I'm not sure if I want such traffic in my mail
>>>> inbox.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, having proper feedback places is important and I wonder
>>>> if some kind of middle place between developers and beginners
>>>> is needed. In the Pharo case, the users list has pretty good
>>>> activity without details about commits. Maybe beginners is
>>>> misleading and we need a users list or setup something like
>>>> discourse[1] to improve communication. In the Manjaro case, it
>>>> has worked pretty well[2] (but, of course, infrastructure by
>>>> itself is not a warranty).
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.discourse.org/
>>>> [2] http://forum.manjaro.org/
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Offray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/02/18 10:51, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>>>>> Offray,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you signed up on the squeak-dev mailing list or just
>>>>> beginners? I think the members of the Squeak-Dev list would
>>>>> enjoy having you there! You would also get more feedback from
>>>>> that group.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
>>>>> <offray at riseup.net <mailto:offray at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the typo, I meant Joseph.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/02/18 21:09, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Joshep,
>>>>>
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