[Newbies] Morphic is slow

Sat Sep 14 05:29:46 UTC 2019

Oh and I forgot to mention how to test the apple theory.  If you move a
bunch of rectangle morphs individually and at the same time in the same
direction as if it's one static image, it will be slower than if you put
them all into a single playfield and moved the playfield by itself as a
single object.  The catch is, that if you want specific actions to happen
to those morphs, you have to conjure up a different way to interact with
them than you would if they were 'naked' and individual objects.  I did a
personal test where I made 100 squares and moved them individually and, as
you would think, the frame rate dropped dramatically.  However, moving 100
squares inside of a playfield and just moving the playfield, there was no
noticible change in frame rate.

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On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:24 PM Jeremy Landry <hakyoku at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've looked at morphic performance via Etoys many times and am not certain
> if this ever got addressed, but from my understanding, morphic doesn't do
> anything to detect what should be drawn and what should not (i.e. covered
> up items).  So for instance, if you move a window over a lot of other
> windows (or move your mouse, it has to draw this too, afaik), then it's
> going to redraw every unseen thing under neath.
>
> You can test this in a 'micro' example by looking at frames per second by
> dragging a simple rectangle around the screen over various stacks of other
> rectangles and just the blank world.  Instead of treating things that
> aren't moving as a 'static image', it tries to redraw every single thing
> affected from scratch. I did quite a lot of research into 'how' morphic
> works in this way when I was developing some action-game type stuff in
> EToys.  What I found is that the less dynamic things are (i.e. static
> pictures, for instance where it simply needs to be read from memory) vs.
> drawing things from scratch (i.e. a rectangle morphic object), speed is
> dramatically increased.  So having 100 windows, each one using drawing
> commands instead of reading memory would definitely slow things down, even
> for just drawing the mouse, I would think.
>
> Again, just my guess.  There's a lot of 'workarounds' for this, but I
> think the biggest one would be for morphic to figure out what is static and
> what is moving, take proper bitmapped copy into a buffer to redraw any
> 'mess' made by moving something.  I am not smart enough to program this so
> I can only say what I think is the problem and what I think could be done
> to fix it.
>
>
> There was a video on this phenomena using Cuis Smalltalk and it exhibits
> the same issues, except they used the bouncing atoms example, showing that
> atoms in the morph drawing behind things still are drawn when they don't
> need to be and as a result, would hurt the rate of the screen updates.
>
> I hope this helps in some way and maybe someone smarter than me (and with
> spare time and will power) can tackle this issue.  Video performance can be
> much greater even without using tricks like sending everything to OpenGL or
> some such if this were looked at and, imo, probably is really more an issue
> with extremely old legacy objects and methods tied to screen drawing
> regardless of morphic, but that's just speculation on my part. I really
> don't know.
>
> If it's of interest, some other things I've found that speed things up is
> the number of times the same methods are called by multiple objects. As an
> example, it seems like if you have, say, 5 apples and you want to move them
> from one desk to another, the quickest way is to put the apples into a
> container then move the container full of all the apples at once, but it
> appears as if Smalltalk's solution is to move back and forth 5 times
> between the two desks, each time carrying a single apple.  Again, this is
> just a hunch, and if it were true, I wouldn't know the first thing about
> fixing it or how much of a smalltalk image would break as a result.
>
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> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:05 PM Nicola Mingotti <nmingotti at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> 100 windows? This seems an abomination to me;)
>>
>> Anyhow, this is what i am fancying:
>> - Suppose you open each window in its own (green) thread and give it an
>> insignificant priority
>> - When you click on one window then you increase that thread priority,
>> and make it good enough to be interactive.
>>
>> I don't know if it is feasible, if it is, i fell it will work;)
>>
>> Happy experimentation
>> bye
>> nicola
>>
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>> On 9/13/19 5:14 PM, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I'm sure this is a FAQ, but I still don't know the perfect answer on it.
>>
>> I often have opened more than 100 windows in a project (no problem to
>> keep an overview using WindowAcrobatics), and it can be really slow to
>> operate the image when I move my cursor over the world - often only 1 FPS.
>>
>> I attached a MessageTally report because I hope it reveals some anomalies
>> that could be specific to my image.
>>
>>
>> I see that my CTStatusMonitorMorph* costs some percents, but even if I
>> disable it, my FPS are often <= 10. Do you have any tips for me?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Christoph
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