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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your tutorial is great (as far as I’ve
gone: late section 2). I almost skipped straight to downloading the code and
reviewing it… and then I thought, no, I should walk through it and see
how Squeakers work. Anybody with some knowledge of using modern windowing
systems and basic smalltalk should be able to use it, even with different
menus.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I want to emphasize that these lock-ups I
keep encountering with Squeak on <st1:place w:st="on">Vista</st1:place> have
occurred with pretty much any Squeak 3.10 image I have started with, and under
a host of situations, but usually just perusing code in a browser…
- a core activity for a smalltalk coder.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Images tried – with the exception of
Croquet, the rest were 3.10 VMs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Squeak3.10.2-7179 – the basic
release<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Pharo0.1<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Croquet SDK 1.0.18 (using its vm of
course)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Cassou’s images (sp?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The fact that the console can be turned on
and off (while the rest of squeak appears ‘locked up’) and that it
displays data for us is suggests two things: 1) it is not stuck in an infinite
loop in the GC, and 2) basic threading/time-slicing is working. So, is the user
(world-menu) thread being lost? Can I protect it… or add another thread
that makes certain the core user thread is always up? … Who can point me
in the right direction? Perhaps I can add controls to the same place the VM
controls (available on the outer-most window-frame menu) are controlled from.
(Tell me where to look for that please.) There are likely several band-aid
approaches that will help make it usable, even if I can’t fix the core
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ryan Zerby writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>></span></font> I'm
doing your tutorial now, with Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic. The only<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>issues I've had with it when I do something wrong, like an infinite<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>loop in the mouse handling routines... .BAM. 7 zillion debuggers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>On which platform? I too have encountered
the 7-zillion debuggers problem… just browsing. Or clicking terminate on
the debugger.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I would like help to make Squeak usable. Yesterday
I had an image lock up after less than one minute of uptime, and all I did was
launch <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Monticello</st1:place></st1:State>
to go get my code. <u>Something is broken -- perhaps not on all platforms, but
at least on my two <st1:place w:st="on">Vista</st1:place> machines.</u> [And
these two machines have been stable for all other apps: eclipse-java, python report
generators that grind for about 12 hours per week, and various browsers and
editors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If I want to alter the root menus on
Squeak, where do I get started?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>On which forum should I take up this
matter? Release?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Thanks folks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Cam</span></font></st1:place><font
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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