<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 25.01.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Bert Freudenberg <<a href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" class="">bert@freudenbergs.de</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On 25.01.2015, at 09:21, Tim Retz <<a href="mailto:human.shield.117@gmail.com" class="">human.shield.117@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">if you use Linux, it's the user's responsibility to know (or figure out) how to get a piece of software working.</p></div></blockquote><div class="">If we claim that we support Linux, then we should help any user trying to get it to run.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>You cannot claim to support Linux because Linux is not an operating system but only an operating system kernel.</div><div>What you can support is Linux distributions. Every Linux distribution is free to combine the Linux kernel</div><div>with a multitude of libraries and applications to form an operating system.</div><div>In order to support a Linux distribution you need to compile the VM against the library versions that the distribution uses.</div><div>With a little luck later releases are backwards compatible and can run a VM that is built against an older version.</div><div>The other direction is possible only with a lot of luck. The good thing about the Squeak VM is that it depends only on very few</div><div>libraries so the possibility is high that none of the version change from (distribution) version to the next.</div><div>You need a lot more luck if you try to run a Squeak VM on a Linux distribution A that is built on Linux distribution B.</div><div>The problems that are reported from time to time are just the tip of the iceberg. Probably because only a few Linux users try to run Squeak.</div><div>Real support for Linux (distributions) would be a lot of work: build and test the VM for a multitude of Linux distributions (there are hundreds if not thousands of them)</div><div>and for many versions of each. Every variation of involved library in any involved (incompatible) version.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Andreas</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, Squeak *is* different from most other software. Not necessarily harder to run, but different enough to warrant some hand-holding for newbies.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 24, 2015 11:00 PM, "Kirk Fraser" <<a href="mailto:overcomer.man@gmail.com" class="">overcomer.man@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Bert says there are easy to follow instructions to do it.</div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">I actually said that there should be "easy to follow instructions" and was hoping for someone to provide them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You’re very right that we need these.</div><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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