<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Squeak has few resources nowadays and nobody (including me) has
continued to work on these things.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>(sigh) Forgive me for feeling the need to set the record straight. I think your phrase, "few resources nowadays" implies that Squeak is barely on life-support when, in fact, we just put out best release at least since 3.8 thanks to the hundreds of hours poured in by volunteers from all over.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure what work needs to be done on these things, but they're still there and available in Squeak 5.0 right now. I just loaded up Chess straight into 5.0 from SqueakMap. It was flawless.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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For me the big breakdown was that project save broke in 4.5. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That was due to the premature introduction of Environments. I wish I had time to try to figure it out because this is clearly affecting Squeak's users.. :-( Is anyone using Environments who might know enough how to fix that bug?</div><div><br></div><div>In any case, you can save Projects with the Ma Serializer package.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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The big plus of Squeak for me is it's backwards compatibility. So I
develop in 4.4 and if I need the speed of the new VM I just deploy
it on 5.0. This is for example all my Raspberry Pi work.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why not develop in 5.0? Because of the project save bug? </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
I did a lot of work in 3.8 which afaik has all the toys you mention
and some development tools I like.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>PianoMorph and WaveEditorMorph, are right there in the 5.0 image. Chess is on SqueakMap, it works. There are multiple FreeCell games on SqueakMap as well as a "Games" package. I would recommend at least _trying_ to load them before reverting to any old image.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Basically with todays computers
it runs fast as lightning compared to then. You'll need to find the
latest interpreter (non cog, non spur) VM,</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The latest interpreter VM has problems and is not maintained. Its use is not recommended.</div><div><br></div><div>By contrast, the VM's for 4.6 and 5.0 ARE actively maintained today.</div><div> </div><div><br></div></div></div></div>