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<p>Thanks Ron and Herbert,</p>
<p>I would rater try to improve a "users lists" that filter commits
in a dev-list. That's one of the interesting points of systems
like discourse: you can create subthreads for particular
information and connect or not to them, create hooks and get only
the information you are interested in.</p>
<p>Seems that we have plenty of channels and I don't know if one
more is going to help with the problem of more fluid communication
in the community that helps with dynamics of governance (like
voting). In the case of Manjaro, I was already in an old forum
that was migrated to discourse, so I don't know a lot about
details on managing Spam. Discourse have spam filters activate and
you only get to post a lot of information with links, if you have
interacted with the community enough, with preset rules. That
means that your first post, as a member could have maybe two
links, but you can not start to put a lot of links in the same
post, unless you gain some reputation, which discourages spammers.<br>
</p>
<p>For me the important thing is: can we have a more permanent and
fluid conversation that shows the pulse and vitality of this
community? If the way to do it is to be in the developers list,
filter commits with extra technical info, and having a beginners
list with almost no entries, so we are not addressing properly the
transitions and middle places between users and developers: you
have too much info or too little. More granular information is a
place where forums like discourse could help.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Offray<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/02/18 12:53, Ron Teitelbaum
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Offray,
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<div>I like the idea of forums. Always have. Did the
Manjaro community have trouble with spam? How is it
moderated? Email lists seem to be less vulnerable to spam,
although we have received some in the past. Forums seem to
need constant moderation to ensure they are not invaded by
spam. I seem to remember there was a forum way back when.
There is a forum interface to the mailing list already: <a
href="http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://forum.world.<wbr>st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.<wbr>html</a>.
What do you think Discourse would add to the community over
what we have already? </div>
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<div>Also, note there are a few other places where we sort of
gather. #IRC #squeak <a
href="http://tunes.org/%7Enef/logs/squeak/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/<wbr>squeak/</a>
don't see much going on there. Google Plus Group: <a
href="https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://plus.google.<wbr>com/u/1/communities/<wbr>111117917267462353507</a>.
Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/SqueakSmalltalk"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/SqueakSmalltalk</a>.
Planet Squeak: <a href="http://planet.squeak.org/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://planet.squeak.org/</a> and <a
href="https://news.squeak.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://news.squeak.org/</a>
wow it has been a long time since I made a post! </div>
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<div>I imagine someone probably did a slack channel. Yes I was
correct: <a href="http://squeak.org/community/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://squeak.org/community/</a> </div>
<div><br>
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<div>All the best,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ron Teitelbaum</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:32 AM,
Herbert König <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">herbertkoenig@gmx.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Offray,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Squeak dev always has been the place to be and
newbies was just invented to have a lower hurdle on
entry.</p>
<p>For the automatic traffic there's (spam) filters in
your mail program.</p>
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<p>Please feel free move over, we are not so many in our
community that separate lists are needed.</p>
<p><br>
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<p>My 2c.<br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Herbert<br>
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06.02.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna
Cárdenas:<br>
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<p>Hi Ron,</p>
<p>I'm just in the beginners list (when I
subscribed I was a beginner and I never thought
of myself as a developer). I have seen the dev
list, but there is a lot of automatic mail send
by commit activity. I'm not sure if I want such
traffic in my mail inbox.</p>
<p>Anyway, having proper feedback places is
important and I wonder if some kind of middle
place between developers and beginners is
needed. In the Pharo case, the users list has
pretty good activity without details about
commits. Maybe beginners is misleading and we
need a users list or setup something like
discourse[1] to improve communication. In the
Manjaro case, it has worked pretty well[2] (but,
of course, infrastructure by itself is not a
warranty).<br>
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[1] <a
class="gmail-m_5436921358054315141gmail-m_5053930827841048001m_-1672174032774368145moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.discourse.org/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.discourse.org/</a><br>
[2] <a
class="gmail-m_5436921358054315141gmail-m_5053930827841048001m_-1672174032774368145moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://forum.manjaro.org/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://forum.manjaro.org/</a><br>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Offray<br>
</p>
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06/02/18 10:51, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Offray,
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<div>Are you signed up on the squeak-dev
mailing list or just beginners? I think the
members of the Squeak-Dev list would enjoy
having you there! You would also get more
feedback from that group.</div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ron</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 6, 2018
at 9:50 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:offray@riseup.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">offray@riseup.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Sorry
for the typo, I meant Joseph.<br>
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On 05/02/18 21:09, Offray Vladimir Luna
Cárdenas wrote:<br>
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