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    About one month ago I tested a simple loop speed comparing:<br>
    C, Squeak, Python, Ruby.<br>
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    C of course is the kind, but that is not really a fair comparison.<br>
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    Of the others 3, which are comparable languages, Squeak was the
    fastest.<br>
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    bye<br>
    Nicola<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/19 4:29 AM, Thiede, Christoph
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            <p>Hi Hannes,</p>
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            <p>thanks for your tips! Rosetta Code is a good idea, I will
              have a look at this.</p>
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            <p><span style="font-size:12pt">How many tests would you say
                a benchmark should contain for being meaningful? Could
                you also recommend any other task from this page that
                suits for message-send-stressing?</span></p>
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            <p>I have no experience at all with VMs, yet. Can I already
              run Squeak on SistaV1 anywhere? Does it affect the overall
              speed greatly if I am in CommandLine mode only?</p>
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            <p>Best,</p>
            <p>Christoph</p>
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            Beginners
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            Auftrag von H. Hirzel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com"><hannes.hirzel@gmail.com></a><br>
            <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 26. September 2019 10:32:17<br>
            <b>An:</b> A friendly place to get answers to even the most
            basic questions about Squeak.<br>
            <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Newbies] Smalltalk benchmarks for
            Composite systems?</font>
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          <div class="PlainText">Hi Christoph<br>
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            As you did not find a good benchmark I suggest that you
            design a suite<br>
            of benchmarks for your own purpose. Use as target the  field
            of<br>
            application.<br>
            <br>
            <a href="http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code</a><br>
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            Contains many algorithms for different languages.<br>
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            <a href="http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tree_traversal"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tree_traversal</a>  
            (unfortunaltely Smalltalk<br>
            version not implemented yet)<br>
            <br>
            But there are over 200 tasks done in Smalltalk<br>
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            <a href="http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Smalltalk"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Smalltalk</a><br>
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            Kind regards<br>
            Hannes<br>
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            P.S. Also note that the SistaV1 VM will offer a substantial<br>
            improvement in performance <a
              href="https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/676"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/676</a><br>
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            On 9/25/19, Thiede, Christoph<br>
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de"><Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de></a> wrote:<br>
            > Hi all,<br>
            ><br>
            ><br>
            > Two years ago, I started a project for a Parser library
            - unfortunately, at<br>
            > this time, I was not aware of the marvels of Squeak, so
            I wrote it in C#.<br>
            > Now I've resumed that project and feel the classical,
            un-live development<br>
            > process more cumbersome than ever. I would love to
            migrate my project to<br>
            > Smalltalk, but I'm worrying how much slower it will be
            compared to C#, as I<br>
            > am doing some quite CPU-intensive computations (that
            take even C# several<br>
            > seconds for small instances).<br>
            ><br>
            ><br>
            > So I'm searching for some meaningful benchmarks to get
            an idea of the speed<br>
            > losses to expect. The main computations affect
            composite traversal, deep<br>
            > copying, etc., so I think the workload should mainly
            address<br>
            > message-sending. I did not found really good benchmarks
            searching for<br>
            > "(squeak | smalltalk) vs (c# | java) benchmark"
            (assuming that C# and Java<br>
            > play in about the same league). Can someone give me a
            few pointers? In<br>
            > short, under what circumstances would you recommend me
            to port a<br>
            > computation-intensive library to Smalltalk?<br>
            ><br>
            > Thanks in advance!<br>
            ><br>
            ><br>
            > Best regards,<br>
            ><br>
            > Christoph<br>
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