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About one month ago I tested a simple loop speed comparing:<br>
C, Squeak, Python, Ruby.<br>
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C of course is the kind, but that is not really a fair comparison.<br>
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Of the others 3, which are comparable languages, Squeak was the
fastest.<br>
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bye<br>
Nicola<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/19 4:29 AM, Thiede, Christoph
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<p>Hi Hannes,</p>
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<p>thanks for your tips! Rosetta Code is a good idea, I will
have a look at this.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">How many tests would you say
a benchmark should contain for being meaningful? Could
you also recommend any other task from this page that
suits for message-send-stressing?</span></p>
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<p>I have no experience at all with VMs, yet. Can I already
run Squeak on SistaV1 anywhere? Does it affect the overall
speed greatly if I am in CommandLine mode only?</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Christoph</p>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 26. September 2019 10:32:17<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Newbies] Smalltalk benchmarks for
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Christoph<br>
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As you did not find a good benchmark I suggest that you
design a suite<br>
of benchmarks for your own purpose. Use as target the field
of<br>
application.<br>
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<a href="http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code</a><br>
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Contains many algorithms for different languages.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tree_traversal"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tree_traversal</a>
(unfortunaltely Smalltalk<br>
version not implemented yet)<br>
<br>
But there are over 200 tasks done in Smalltalk<br>
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<a href="http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Smalltalk"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Smalltalk</a><br>
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Kind regards<br>
Hannes<br>
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P.S. Also note that the SistaV1 VM will offer a substantial<br>
improvement in performance <a
href="https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/676"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/676</a><br>
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On 9/25/19, Thiede, Christoph<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de"><Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de></a> wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Two years ago, I started a project for a Parser library
- unfortunately, at<br>
> this time, I was not aware of the marvels of Squeak, so
I wrote it in C#.<br>
> Now I've resumed that project and feel the classical,
un-live development<br>
> process more cumbersome than ever. I would love to
migrate my project to<br>
> Smalltalk, but I'm worrying how much slower it will be
compared to C#, as I<br>
> am doing some quite CPU-intensive computations (that
take even C# several<br>
> seconds for small instances).<br>
><br>
><br>
> So I'm searching for some meaningful benchmarks to get
an idea of the speed<br>
> losses to expect. The main computations affect
composite traversal, deep<br>
> copying, etc., so I think the workload should mainly
address<br>
> message-sending. I did not found really good benchmarks
searching for<br>
> "(squeak | smalltalk) vs (c# | java) benchmark"
(assuming that C# and Java<br>
> play in about the same league). Can someone give me a
few pointers? In<br>
> short, under what circumstances would you recommend me
to port a<br>
> computation-intensive library to Smalltalk?<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Christoph<br>
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