<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you John-Reed for filling the last spot. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would have stepped in, but I prefer somebody with more experience did it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">=> I can still be a newbie for while :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">bye</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nicola</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 17, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Robert Kuropkat <<a href="mailto:robert@kuropkat.com" class="">robert@kuropkat.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="_htmlarea_default_style_" style="font:10pt arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><div align="left" class=""><br class=""></div> FWIW, I personally believe regaining
control of old domains referenced in these books would be highly valuable, even if the just redirect to <a href="http://squeak.org" class="">squeak.org</a> for a short time.<div align="left" class=""><br class=""></div><div align="left" class="">I personally would be interested in helping with documentation of these old resources so they "just work" as
described in the books. Ideally, I would like to use that as a lead into updating these images (and documentation) to work on the latest
versions of Squeak. My understanding is the Squeak by Example book/resources may already been in the process of being updated under Pharo.
However, the Learn Squeak by Programming Robots is not and this particular one is WAY to useful for introducing children. I am currently using
both of these resources to teach Middle/High School students and I am very pleased with how successful it has been.</div><div align="left" class=""><br class=""></div><div align="left" class="">Robert Kuropkat<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:29:37 -0500<br class=""> Ron Teitelbaum <<a href="mailto:ron@usmedrec.com" class="">ron@usmedrec.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">> Mechanic,<br class="">> <br class="">> I'm not sure where you got the <a href="http://squeakbyexample.org" class="">squeakbyexample.org</a> url <br class="">>but the website<br class="">> seems to point to
here: <br class="">><a href="https://hal.inria.fr/inria-00441576/document" class="">https://hal.inria.fr/inria-00441576/document</a> from<br class="">> here <a href="https://squeak.org/documentation/" class="">https://squeak.org/documentation/</a><br class="">> <br class="">> Having the
documentation be outdated and not working <br class="">>with the current<br class="">> version is a problem for software all around the world. <br class="">>Even more
so for an<br class="">> open source community. I completely agree with you that <br class="">>beginner samples<br class="">> need to be maintained so that
they stay relevant to new <br class="">>versions of the<br class="">> software. Unfortunately, that is a very difficult thing <br class="">>to
do. It would<br class="">> be nice to have a seperate version specific <br class="">>documentation section on the<br class="">> website and a team of people
who would move the <br class="">>documentation forward on<br class="">> each new release. What we need to make that happen is <br class="">>the web team to<br class="">>
provide that framework for the documentation and a <br class="">>documentation team to<br class="">> volunteer to do the work and write or modify the
docs.<br class="">> <br class="">> Tty's method <a href="http://www.squeaksource.com/SeasideDoc.html" class="">http://www.squeaksource.com/SeasideDoc.html</a> <br class="">>is nice because it<br class="">> is documentation that goes with the
program and it's <br class="">>versioned but it would<br class="">> be better to have something that is accessible and <br class="">>filterable by version on<br class="">>
the <a href="http://squeak.org" class="">squeak.org</a> website.<br class="">> <br class="">> We just may not have the resources we need to make that <br class="">>happen. By the way<br class="">> have you looked at
the <a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak" class="">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak</a> and<br class="">> <a href="https://squeak.org/documentation/" class="">https://squeak.org/documentation/</a> pages? There is a lot <br class="">>of really good<br class="">>
documentation out there but it does take some digging <br class="">>and you probably will<br class="">> run into issues related to different
versions. Much of <br class="">>it should still be<br class="">> relevant. If you run into issues we are here to help!<br class="">> <br class="">> All
the best,<br class="">> <br class="">> Ron Teitelbaum<br class="">> <br class="">> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:16 AM mechanic <br class="">><<a href="mailto:chrisgame@pobox.com" class="">chrisgame@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">>
<br class="">>> Ron,<br class="">>><br class="">>> Interesting that there is an 'oversight' board but we <br class="">>>have to wonder what<br class="">>> oversight
is actually applied? There are many queries on <br class="">>>here (one or two<br class="">>> from me) showing that there are issues with finding
<br class="">>>appropriate and up to<br class="">>> date docs covering basic setup and operating issues. As <br class="">>>an example, much of<br class="">>> that
points to the <a href="http://squeakbyexample.org" class="">squeakbyexample.org</a> site which seems <br class="">>>to have been taken<br class="">>> over. As well as that, there are many versions of Squeak
<br class="">>>on the web, and<br class="">>> not<br class="">>> much guidance as to which docs and guides work with what <br class="">>>versions.
There<br class="">>> seems an overall cleanup project missing? I also wonder <br class="">>>why there are so<br class="">>> many expert-level queries on a list
supposed to support <br class="">>>beginners, perhaps<br class="">>> some of that is off-putting to newbies?<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>>
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