[Box-Admins] Re: SqueakSource

[David T. Lewis]

Hi Tobias,

I was referring only to the existing squeaksource.com service, not to future
directions. The SCG group has kindly provided a full copy of the current system,
and this is being moved to squeak.org for operational support. Discussion is at:

  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/box-admins/2013-August/date.html

I apologize if I mixed up some unrelated issues here. I am not involved in
future development directions and I did not intend to cause confusion.

Thanks for the tip regarding VM issues, I will make sure that we use an
up-to-date VM.

Dave

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:10:36PM +0000, Pape, Tobias wrote:
> Am 24.08.2013 um 02:26 schrieb David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com>:
> 
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:18:19PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
> >> Hi!  Ok so there are a couple of questions and potential answers brewing.
> >> How to host?  Where to host?
> >> 
> >> David Lewis expressed that we should recover the actual SS instance and
> >> stabilize it.
> > 
> > My immediate concern is to move the existing squeaksource.com to a new
> > home that is stable, supportable, and sustainable for the long term. My
> > hope is to accomplish that migration within days, not weeks. Once that
> > has been completed, all options should be open as far as I'm concerned. 
> > But for now my only objective is to achieve operational stability and a
> > sustainable support process for squeaksource.com.
> > 
> > Just to check my understanding, the reference to hosting by Robert Hirschfeld's
> > group is for future consideration, and not something that I need to worry
> > about to the migration plan for the next few days, is that right?
> 
> Well Oscar Nierstrasz is commit to us (Robert?s group) in a couple of weeks
> and would be able to bring a harddrive with all files? (image+mcz's)
> 
> > 
> >> This may include bringing it up to a more modern,
> >> Cog-supported Squeak image.  I am working on doing this for
> >> source.squeak.org and so I hope that effort can overlap this one.
> >> 
> > 
> > Yes for sure, it is important to get source.squeak.org and squeaksource.com
> > onto a common code base and support structure in order to minimize the total
> > support requirement. One way or another, I am quite confident that this will
> > resolve the reliability and performance problems that have plagued squeaksource
> > in the past.
> > 
> > But first things first, I'm still trying to copy files, including well over
> > 15 GB of compressed project files. Firefox says it might be done after another
> > 23 hours and 10 minutes or so ... then I'll need a box on squeak.org to unpack
> > them on.
> 
> what files are you copying from where? Are you talking about source.squeak.org
> org squeaksource.com?
> 
> All that said, I maintained an image-based Squeaksource-installation a couple
> of years ago here at HPI and we ran into lockup-troubles (I figure they are quite
> similar to those squeaksource.com experienced over the past year) at least once
> if not twice a day. I tracked the problem down to Socket-related problems (one
> end closed, the other not, image not responding henceforth), but they were not
> deterministically reproducible.
>   That was why I started participating in migrating SqS to Gemstone, Initially
> creating SqueakSource2, but soon changed to Squeaksource3.
> 
> From my experiences, I would _strongly_ advice not to setup a new SqueakSource
> based on a SqueakVM that still has this socket problem (no, it is not the
> wiggle-the-mouse-and-it-works-again bug).
> 
> I am currently devoting my free time to bring GemStone's Monticello-support
> up to par with Squeaks (read: add missing support for ScriptDefinitions),
> which would make SS3 on GemStone feature-wise a superset of current 
> squeaksource.com  and source.squeak.org while at the same time providing
> a higher reliability (esp, compared to squeaksource.com).
> 
> Best
> 	-Tobias
> 
> -- 
> Tobias Pape
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