[Box-Admins] [Board] Request permission to moderate squeak-dev

[Tobias Pape]

On 13.02.2017, at 20:02, Levente Uzonyi <leves at caesar.elte.hu> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, Tobias Pape wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 13.02.2017, at 18:24, Levente Uzonyi <leves at caesar.elte.hu> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves at caesar.elte.hu> wrote:
>>>>     On Fri, 10 Feb 2017, David T. Lewis wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>           On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:38:18AM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>                 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>                       Dear all
>>>> 
>>>>                       I request the permission to moderate squeak-dev.
>>>>                       I want to:
>>>>                        - approve ok pending messages
>>>>                        - discard held messages that are spam etc.
>>>>                        - add spammers to blacklists.
>>>>                       So that the server stays more clean than it does currently:
>>>>                        - 16 messages in the last 3 days AFTER I purged _all_ ~2000 held
>>>>                          messages that accumulated over the years
>>>> 
>>>>                       If approved, I'd also change the following options serverside:
>>>>                        - discard mail from not subscribed people instead of holding
>>>>                        - turn off password reminders (those are dagngerous..)
>>>>                        - discard held messages after 30 days (currently indefinitely)
>>>>                       And maybe apply this to all our lists.
>>>> 
>>>>                       Best regards
>>>>                               -Tobias
>>>> 
>>>>                 +1
>>>> 
>>>>                 - Bert -
>>>> 
>>>>           +1
>>>>           Dave
>>>> 
>>>>           Just one question (not an objection, just a question):
>>>> 
>>>>                        - discard mail from not subscribed people instead of holding
>>>> 
>>>>           Is this a good idea? I don't know if we have a problem with not
>>>>           subscribed people posting to the list, but I would be generally
>>>>           inclined to avoid adding any new restrictions unless they solve a
>>>>           real problem. Again, I am not objecting, just asking because I do
>>>>           not know.
>>>> I dislike the idea to automatically reject those emails, because that breaks cross-list conversations. The current situation is no better
>>>> (as Tobias described), but with proper moderation it would be better.
>>>> +1 on all the other things.
>>>> 
>>>>     Levente
>>>> Tobi was suggesting discarding, not rejecting (but possibly that was a typo). The difference is that the sender gets notified of their possibly
>>>> honest mistake in one case, whereas it silently fails in the other.
>>>> I'd personally be in favor of rejecting, not discarding. The third option is holding, but that puts a lot of burden on the moderator, as you said
>>>> there are dozens of spam mails each day. Perhaps we can hold only messages that pass a spam filter? In any case I'm happy to defer to Levente's
>>>> opinion as box admins lead.
>>> 
>>> It would still break the cross-list conversation.
>> 
>> How so?
> 
> You can't repeat your message with the same message id once your original mail has been discarded/rejected, can you?

I quite don't get the scenario :/

> 
>> 
>> 
>>> So, if the number of emails to check is low enough, I'd rather hold them for moderation.
>> 
>> We have currently 23 hold messages, since I just meanly purged them a week ago.
> 
> So that's about 3 messages a day.

yea, seems to have been more in the past

> 
> Levente
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Levente
>>> 
>>>> Except for this single issue, the board approves your request Tobi (there were a couple of +1 in this thread that didn't make it to the box-admins
>>>> list).
>>>> And thank you for volunteering :)
>>>> - Bert -
>> 
>>