[Box-Admins] [Board] Request permission to moderate squeak-dev

[Levente Uzonyi]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, Tobias Pape wrote:

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> On 13.02.2017, at 20:02, Levente Uzonyi <leves at caesar.elte.hu> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, Tobias Pape wrote:
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>>> On 13.02.2017, at 18:24, Levente Uzonyi <leves at caesar.elte.hu> wrote:
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>>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
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>>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves at caesar.elte.hu> wrote:
>>>>>     On Fri, 10 Feb 2017, David T. Lewis wrote:
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>>>>>           On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:38:18AM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>>                 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> wrote:
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>>>>>                       Dear all
>>>>>
>>>>>                       I request the permission to moderate squeak-dev.
>>>>>                       I want to:
>>>>>                        - approve ok pending messages
>>>>>                        - discard held messages that are spam etc.
>>>>>                        - add spammers to blacklists.
>>>>>                       So that the server stays more clean than it does currently:
>>>>>                        - 16 messages in the last 3 days AFTER I purged _all_ ~2000 held
>>>>>                          messages that accumulated over the years
>>>>>
>>>>>                       If approved, I'd also change the following options serverside:
>>>>>                        - discard mail from not subscribed people instead of holding
>>>>>                        - turn off password reminders (those are dagngerous..)
>>>>>                        - discard held messages after 30 days (currently indefinitely)
>>>>>                       And maybe apply this to all our lists.
>>>>>
>>>>>                       Best regards
>>>>>                               -Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>>                 +1
>>>>>
>>>>>                 - Bert -
>>>>>
>>>>>           +1
>>>>>           Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>           Just one question (not an objection, just a question):
>>>>>
>>>>>                        - discard mail from not subscribed people instead of holding
>>>>>
>>>>>           Is this a good idea? I don't know if we have a problem with not
>>>>>           subscribed people posting to the list, but I would be generally
>>>>>           inclined to avoid adding any new restrictions unless they solve a
>>>>>           real problem. Again, I am not objecting, just asking because I do
>>>>>           not know.
>>>>> I dislike the idea to automatically reject those emails, because that breaks cross-list conversations. The current situation is no better
>>>>> (as Tobias described), but with proper moderation it would be better.
>>>>> +1 on all the other things.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Levente
>>>>> Tobi was suggesting discarding, not rejecting (but possibly that was a typo). The difference is that the sender gets notified of their possibly
>>>>> honest mistake in one case, whereas it silently fails in the other.
>>>>> I'd personally be in favor of rejecting, not discarding. The third option is holding, but that puts a lot of burden on the moderator, as you said
>>>>> there are dozens of spam mails each day. Perhaps we can hold only messages that pass a spam filter? In any case I'm happy to defer to Levente's
>>>>> opinion as box admins lead.
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>>>> It would still break the cross-list conversation.
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>>> How so?
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>> You can't repeat your message with the same message id once your original mail has been discarded/rejected, can you?
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> I quite don't get the scenario :/

E.g. some Pharo guy replies to a message sent to both Squeak's and Pharo's 
mailing list. If the guy is not subscribed to the Squeak list and you're 
not subscribed to Pharo list, you'll never know about that message unless 
someone subscribed to both lists replies to that message.
If the guy decides to subscribe to the Squeak list due to the notification 
and resends the message to the Squeak list, then that message will only be 
sent to the Squeak list, so the thread will be split.

Levente

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>>>> So, if the number of emails to check is low enough, I'd rather hold them for moderation.
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>>> We have currently 23 hold messages, since I just meanly purged them a week ago.
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>> So that's about 3 messages a day.
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> yea, seems to have been more in the past
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>> Levente
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>>>> Levente
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>>>>> Except for this single issue, the board approves your request Tobi (there were a couple of +1 in this thread that didn't make it to the box-admins
>>>>> list).
>>>>> And thank you for volunteering :)
>>>>> - Bert -
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