[Box-Admins] Proposal to assist the Cuis project by offering use of Squeak.org mail hosting services (was: [Cuis-dev] Problems with the mail list - Let's move to a new mail list server)

[David T. Lewis]

I would like to request the support of the board to offer assistance
to the Cuis project by hosting the cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org mailing
list on available sqeak.org infrastructure. We are fortunate to have an
excellent hosting infrastructure for our web servers and mailing lists.

Currently we incur no cost for use of that infrastructure due to our
membership in the Software Freedom Conservancy and to our commitment to
free distribution and promotion of Squeak and related projects. The Cuis
project is strongly connected with Squeak, and is compatible with and
supportive of the Squeak project. For that reason, I believe that it is
appropriate to make the squeak.org infrastructure available for support
of the cuis-dev mailing list.

The attached email from Juan Vuletich on cuis-dev provides background.
I have not previously discussed with with Juan, although I am CCing
him here. CC also to box-admins, just in case this is not a feasible
suggestion.

I am not an expert on mailing lists, but I am assuming that it is
possible to host a cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org mailing list on our
servers without losing the "Cuis" identity. In other words, the list
identity must still be be cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org, not
cuis-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org.

Does the board support this proposal?

Thanks,

Dave


----- Forwarded message from Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org> -----

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:31:17 -0300
To: Discussion of Cuis Smalltalk <cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org>
Subject: [Cuis-dev] Problems with the mail list - Let's move to a new mail list server
List-Id: Discussion of Cuis Smalltalk <cuis-dev.cuis-smalltalk.org>
List-Archive: <http://cuis-smalltalk.org/pipermail/cuis-dev_cuis-smalltalk.org/>
From: Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org>
Cc: Juan Vuletich <juan at jvuletich.org>

Hi Folks,

We have been having problems with the mail list for a long time. The 
current mail list is hosted at a personal hosting service of mine, at 
www.hostgator.com. The problems we have include:

- It seems that there are people who use hostgator.com servers to send 
spam, so their ip addresses are sometimes blacklisted by isp of some 
list subscribers. As a result some folks can't get messages from the list.

- Hostgator has a limit of 500 emails per hour.  Given that we have more 
than a hundred subscribers, the limit has been hit at least once, and 
the result is that the server just discards the messages. So, for a 
certain message, some people will get it and others won't. This is 
unacceptable. Hostgator suggests moving to either phpList (that can 
throttle to avoid the limit) or ConstantContact, that has no limit. But 
mailman (our current software, that can't throttle message sends) was 
written for discussion lists. phpList is for newsletter distribution 
(i.e. a single sender). ConstantContact is a separate company 
specializing in email marketing. So, hostgator doesn't really consider a 
discussion mail list as a valid use case.

- The list is tied to a personal account, that also includes 
jvuletich.org and personal information, and this makes it hard to share 
administration with someone else.

I believe the best solution is to move our mail list somewhere else. My 
wishlist for this is that
- It is a non-paid service
- Its administration can be shared between several people
- It has freely accessible archives, and a reasonable web interface
- It doesn't include ads in messages
- It is an email list, not a web based forum

I can't believe that GitHub doesn't offer such a service. It could be 
nicely integrated into Organizations, Repos, Teams, Issues, etc.

So far, the best I found is www.freelists.org . Any suggestion, or 
comment on pros / cons of alternatives is warmly welcome!

Thanks,

-- 
Juan Vuletich
www.cuis-smalltalk.org
https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev
https://github.com/jvuletich
https://www.linkedin.com/in/juan-vuletich-75611b3
@JuanVuletich


_______________________________________________
Cuis-dev mailing list
Cuis-dev at cuis-smalltalk.org
http://cuis-smalltalk.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis-dev_cuis-smalltalk.org

----- End forwarded message -----