[etoys-dev] Sugar vs legacy OS

[Hilaire Fernandes]

Btw, it is likely kids may not have this misconception as they may
have not initial conception of a file.

Hilaire

2009/10/30 Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>:
>
> On 29.10.2009, at 09:03, Walter Bender wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>>>> Date: 29. Oktober 2009 08:39:11 GMT-04:00
>>>> To: Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes at edu.ge.ch>
>>>> Cc: OLPC Devel <devel at laptop.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Sharing files among several XO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29.10.2009, at 02:47, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Under Etoys, If I keep down the mouse button and choose "Save under
>>>>> another name" (I am not sure about the exact message), and save the
>>>>> project with another name, then in the journal the previous instance
>>>>> of the project is replaced with this new one. I will check again
>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: Pay attention I am not just using the Keep button
>>>>
>>>> Why?!
>>>>
>>>> Simply stop Etoys to save to the Journal, overwriting the previous
>>>> entry.
>>>>
>>>> Simply click the Keep button to create a new entry in the Journal.
>>>>
>>>> Simply edit the name in the Etoys toolbar to rename. Or rename in the
>>>> Journal.
>>>>
>>>> The hidden save menu options let you save to a file or upload to the
>>>> Squeakland website. They do not save to the Journal. They are hidden
>>>> for a reason.
>>>>
>>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>> If anybody has ideas on how to avoid misconceptions like above, let's
>>> hear
>>> them.
>>
>> I think that if the Sugar sharing and versioning were working better,
>> then this problem/misconception would never have arisen. 0.84/86
>> addresses many of the sharing issues. We'll be discussing versioning
>> in Bolzano as part of our 0.88 plans. The good news is that OLPC seems
>> to be motivated to get 0.86 onto the XO 1.5 machines.
>>
>> -walter
>
> How would that address the differences between using Etoys on a machine with
> a user-managed file system and Etoys on Sugar with automatic saving?
>
> Are you suggesting that when running under Sugar, we should disable Etoys'
> ability to work with the filesystem directly? What Hilaire ran into is that
> he accidentally used the lower-level filesystem interface instead of the
> higher-level Journal interface.
>
> - Bert -
>
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