[etoys-dev] Compressing sources

[Hilaire Fernandes]

I know the use of those files.
The question is: is it useful, especially when you consider how unfriendly
is the developer tools in Etoys used under the XO machine (font site, bare
bone browser without syntax coloring or completion).

Just taking a pragmatical point of view.

Hilaire

2010/1/14 Korakurider <korakurider at gmail.com>

> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Hilaire Fernandes
> <hilaire.fernandes at edu.ge.ch> wrote:
> > Why the .sourche and .change files are need in the shipped Etoys ?
> > Should it not be in etoys-dev only?
>     Generally those are NOT needed for run-time purpose.
>    Those are needed on Sugar/OLPC platform so that kids can browse
> and review code (show source functionality, that is one of of the core
> features of OLPC) .
>
> /Korakurider
>
> > Hilaire
> >
> > 2010/1/14 Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> What about using Smalltalk abandonSources as Eliot suggested on
> >> squeak-dev?
> >> I just tried with and etoys-dev image and it complained about a syntax
> >> error in MMetaParser>>mExpr so I blindly removed the whole package and
> tried
> >> again.
> >> It finished without errors and the image seems to be working ok.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maybe someone can help with
> >>>
> >>> http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-647
> >>>
> >>> This is what led to it:
> >>>
> >>> [23:15:52] <Mitch_Bradley> bertf: ping
> >>> [23:16:08] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: pong
> >>> [23:16:32] <Mitch_Bradley> we are looking at disk-space-saving
> >>> opportunities
> >>> [23:16:41] <Mitch_Bradley> I want to ask about etoys possibilities
> >>> [23:16:53] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: for 1.5?
> >>> [23:17:03] <Mitch_Bradley> Could /usr/share/etoys/EtoysV4.sources be
> >>> compressed?
> >>> [23:17:07] <Mitch_Bradley> yes, for 1.5
> >>> [23:17:41] <bertf> I thought that had larger disk than before?
> >>> [23:17:48] <Mitch_Bradley> it does
> >>> [23:18:04] <bertf> can't be compressed easily, no
> >>> [23:18:13] <Mitch_Bradley> and that fact is being used by *everybody*
> as
> >>> a justification for pissing it all away
> >>> [23:18:26] <bertf> understood
> >>> [23:18:46] <Mitch_Bradley> under what circumstances is .sources used,
> as
> >>> opposed to .image
> >>> [23:19:17] <bertf> whenever you look at the source code. the image
> stores
> >>> file offsets
> >>> [23:19:22] <Mitch_Bradley> how about decompress-on-first-use?
> >>> [23:19:33] <bertf> can't write there
> >>> [23:20:07] <bertf> there was a hack once allowing to compress it. not
> >>> sure how stable that is
> >>> [23:22:04] <bertf> I'll try to find that hack
> >>> [23:23:57] <Mitch_Bradley> how about locales - could we prune
> >>> /usr/share/etoys/locales ?
> >>> [23:25:08] <Mitch_Bradley> it is ironic that smalltalk is so large
> >>> [23:25:44] <Mitch_Bradley> not as ironic as "Micro"soft, though
> >>> [23:27:33] <bertf> well if you're sure that some locale is not needed,
> >>> you can just delete the .mo file, yes
> >>> [23:34:03] <Mitch_Bradley> decompressing EtoysV4.sources.gz to ram
> takes
> >>> 0.7 seconds.
> >>> [23:35:51] <bertf> not bad :)
> >>>
> >>> [00:01:04] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: I found the sources hack
> >>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3510 in what time frame would we have to
> >>> incorporate that?
> >>> [00:02:36] <Mitch_Bradley> bertf: I don't know what our current release
> >>> train looks like, but I think that we would probably want to fold in
> the
> >>> space-saving change whenever it is available.
> >>> [00:03:05] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: when would it be too late?
> >>> [00:03:32] <cjb> bertf: within 7 days should be ok
> >>> [00:04:41] <bertf> cjb: okay. can't promise anything but I'll see what
> I
> >>> can do. or get someone to do.
> >>> [00:04:49] <Mitch_Bradley> thanks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Bert -
> >>>
> >>>
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