[etoys-dev] [squeakland] About Skeleton

[Ricardo Moran]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I uploaded to the inbox a version of Skeleton with a few changes of mine
> > that allows you to use a spreadsheet just as you would use mine to
> > import/export data and iterate over its contents.
> > I also commited a version of the CSV package, which I use to do the
> > importing. However, I didn't remember to look at the license of the
> package
> > before clicking commit and now that I did, I see it doesn't specify MIT,
> so
> > I'll ask the author about it (please forgive me and remove the commit if
> it
> > can be a problem).
> > Anyway, if you can please tell me what you think.
> > Cheers,
> > Richo
>
> That is CSV Parser from SqueakSource right ?
> I don't see a licence anywhere ...
> Can you mail Avi Bryant and ask ?
>

Yes, I did. I'm waiting for an answer now...

Richo


>
> Karl
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:28 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Randy Caton <rcaton at cnu.edu> wrote:
> >> > I like the spreadsheet that Ricardo created because it is simple and
> >> > basic
> >> > and allows I/O. It leaves more for learners to create. Couldn't the
> >> > functions already in etoys be used in the cells? Does Skeleton allow
> >> > plots?
> >> > If so, then what about Ricardo's graphs? I'd like to see them in etoys
> >> > also.
> >> > Randy
> >>
> >> Hi
> >> I think it is possible to make all these graphs out of skeleton.
> >> From what I see is Skeleton a extension to the way we script and
> >> visualize in Etoys,
> >> It seems to have a thought out model.
> >>
> >>
> >> Only working with it and managing the code will tell if it something
> >> we find useful and worth while.
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Randall Caton
> >> > 41596 Bald Eagle Drive
> >> > Bigfork, MN 56628
> >> > 218-832-3490
> >> > http://www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Bert Freudenberg
> >> > <bert at freudenbergs.de>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11.10.2011, at 14:34, Ricardo Moran wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The squeak list is currently discussing about a spreadsheet morph,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > that just reminded me about how cool is Skeleton actually. So I'm
> >> >> > wondering
> >> >> > why it is not in Etoys? I found an old discussion stating that it
> >> >> > could be a
> >> >> > nice extension to Etoys but the biggest issue being the slow
> loading
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > external code. I have to agree with that being a problem but I
> think
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > might reconsider just include it in the image as with Dr Geo.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I know we already have a bloated image full of half finished
> projects
> >> >> > but from what I briefly tested Skeleton seems to work out of the
> box.
> >> >> > And it
> >> >> > doesn't add a *huge* amount of new code. See this simple comparison
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > DrGeo:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') systemCategories size. 2
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') classes size. 38
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') methods size. 654
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') linesOfCode. 4765
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') systemCategories size. 10
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') classes size. 214
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') methods size.  1863
> >> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') linesOfCode.  17154
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another issue, I guess, is that if Skeleton gets included someone
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > have to maintain it, but from what I've seen the latest version
> dates
> >> >> > from
> >> >> > 2006 and it still works today. So maybe it won't be that big of an
> >> >> > issue.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyway, if you want to test it:
> >> >> > http://www.languagegame.org:8080/ggame/11.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Richo
> >> >>
> >> >> How does it compare to the data table thing you did in your GSoC
> >> >> project?
> >> >
> >> > My data table serves the only purpose of importing/exporting CSV
> files,
> >> > but
> >> > not much else, whereas Skeleton is a proper spreadsheet, it supports
> >> > functions, and is well integrated with etoys via drag and drop of
> tiles.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Would be nice to have only one, not two table-like objects.
> >> >
> >> > I agree, but since my table is not integrated anyway, I vote for
> >> > integrating
> >> > Skeleton which is much better than what I did. And if we want the I/O
> of
> >> > csv
> >> > files, I could find the way of adapting Skeleton. It shouldn't be that
> >> > difficult, I suppose.
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Richo
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> - Bert -
> >> >>
> >> >>
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