[etoys-dev] Etoys: Etoys-Richo.103.mcz

Thu Feb 9 15:09:29 EST 2012

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com> wrote:
, you're right. And we should add the "decimal places" if the selected type
is number as well.

Yes

Number and Point have 'decimal places...'
Player have 'tiles to get...' ( I'm not really familiar with this)

Karl

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:24 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We should hook this up to the Viewer variable menu in
>> Player slotInfoButtonHitFor:inViewer:
>>
>> 'rename' and 'change value type' could be replaced by this panel.( I'm
>> not sure what to call it: Variable info ?)
>>
>> I think it's good for consistency that we present just one panel to
>> rename and choose variable type.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice,  May want to add arrows to Type (similar to the way make sound
>>>> scripting tile works) to invite kids to click on it).
>>>
>>>
>>> Great idea, how about now?
>>>
>>> [image: NewVariableDialog.png]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Richo
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ed Team should think about Quick Guides on Variables, and perhaps
>>>> balloon help when you mouse over the variable types.
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've made the following dialog using the PropertiesMorph as suggested.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: NewVariableDialog.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> It opens by default when clicking on the "add new variable" button. I
>>>>> think this solution is better than the two modal dialogs and it also makes
>>>>> the different slot types a little more visible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I attached a change set if you want to test it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Richo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This would be easy to do and it would be a great improvement, but I
>>>>>> don't think this dialog should be open by request. If I understood
>>>>>> correctly, the problem that originated this issue was that the slot types
>>>>>> other than #Number were difficult to find, so hiding this dialog won't
>>>>>> solve it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Richo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Scott Wallace <
>>>>>>>> scott.wallace at squeakland.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Better, arguably, is to give a newly-launched variable a default
>>>>>>>>> name and a default value-type, and then also make it more straightforward
>>>>>>>>> and inviting to change the name and change the value-type, without needing
>>>>>>>>> to fish in menus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed. Something like:
>>>>>>>> [image: AddVariable I.png]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: AddVariable II.png]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we should use the PropertiesMorphs for this ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also some of the variable types have additional spec
>>>>>>> Number and Point have 'decimal places...'
>>>>>>> Player have 'tiles to get...' ( I'm not really familiar with this)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After reading Scotts mail I think this dialog should be presented by
>>>>>>> request, not by default.
>>>>>>> And that we bypass the 'FillInTheBlank' naming of variable in the
>>>>>>> first place ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We did that a while ago in an internal vpri fork: add-variable
>>>>>>>>> gives you a variable with a default name and a value-type already provided;
>>>>>>>>> when and if desired, click on the variable name and text-edit to rename the
>>>>>>>>> variable; click on a little "value-type" icon to the right of the name to
>>>>>>>>> get a list of value-type choices.  No modal roadblocks to getting started,
>>>>>>>>> no fishing in menus to make changes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This improves the work-flow of add-a-variable quite a bit, and
>>>>>>>>> might be a good thing for squeakland as well.  However, it's probably too
>>>>>>>>> late in the development cycle of the imminent release to make such a change…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ideally we would have a group of kids we who could help test these
>>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see a problem with waiting at this point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>>>
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