[Morphic] Some challenges for the morphic team

[Juan Vuletich]

Hello Stef.

First of all, let me apologize for the delay in answering. I wasn't sure 
what to answer, and I had to think quit a bit about all this.

The Morphic Stewards Team hasn't had much activity recently.

I'm a bit disappointed that after some initial interest, nobody seems to be 
interested in my objectives for Morphic anymore. I want to simplify, clean 
and remove stuff. But nobody except for me sent any contribution in that 
direction. (Except for Edgar. He did send some stuff, that I rejected). And 
somehow recently, additional 'Diego's look' stuff got in. And I see people 
believing that for Squeak to be 'serious' or something, we need native 
widgets or migrate to wxWidgets or such. So my ideas don't seem popular 
anymore.

I also believe that we are having serious problems in setting the direction 
for Squeak. Even though we all agree we want a small basic image with 
optional stuff in SqueakMap, every release gets bigger and bigger. The 
community has people with very different interests and it's not easy to 
satisfy all of them. And we are failing at setting teams for these different 
areas, with the objective of REMOVING their stuff from the basic 
distribution, to manage it outside the image. People seem to think that if 
something is taken off the image it won't be maintained anymore. I think 
this is not true. A package is maintained if and only if some guys with 
enough knowledge and interest take care of it, be it in the image or in 
SqueakMap.

WRT the development tools and ToolBuilder, I always thought that the 
migration of the Morphic tools to ToolBuilder is a task for ToolBuilder 
guys, and these tools shouldn't be anymore in a Morphic package or under the 
responsibility of Morphic people. Wasn't this the idea?

Perhaps the Morphic Stewards Team needs new people, more in line with what 
the community wants.

What I'm feeling inclined to do is to focus on my Morphic cleaning in my 3.7 
image where it all began. Perhaps it could evolve into a Squeak Distribution 
for programmers, or something like that. the only thing I will really miss 
is Traits. But I'm sure I'll be able to load it when it is mature enough for 
everyday use (I'm thinking basically of programmer's tools). Or perhaps my 
version of Morphic is considered for loading in the official version 
sometime. Or even better, we have a really small basic image with no Morphic 
on it, and mine is one of the alternatives in SqueakMap.

Cheers,
Juan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stephane ducasse" <stephane.ducasse at free.fr>
To: <morphic at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: [Morphic] Some challenges for the morphic team


> Hi guys
>
> - could you have a look at the pending fixes for 3.9b?
> - then I was thinking that I would like to do the following:
> Remove ToolPlus from the image
> Start to convert systematically the Tools to use the ToolBuilder 
> abstraction.
>
> would you be interested in this effort?
>
> Stef
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