[Seaside] Re: seaside hosting

Pablo Iaría iariap at tutopia.com
Tue Apr 27 05:26:37 CEST 2004

Hi all,
    I underestand your arguments. They are all true. But if web hosting is
possible even using fat cows like java/j2ee/tomcat .... we should find the way to
do it using seaside (should seaside have one container per application too?).

I don't see the solution, but there must be one. 

If seaside could be hosted just like any other web application framework then
more people would use/support it.

Anyway, thanks for your comments.... Pablo.-

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:24 , Avi Bryant <avi at beta4.com> sent:

>On Apr 26, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Chris Double wrote:
>> How would Seaside hosting work? Would an application be installed in a
>> shared image, containing other applications from other users? I imagine
>> this would be the most memory efficient for the hoster but would cause
>> problems with editing, security, etc.
>Yeah, I don't think that would be a very good idea.
>>  Providing each user with a Squeak
>> VM would be the other option but then how would the hosting provider 
>> know
>> that it is being used for Hosting web applications rather than for
>> general purpose Squeak usage?
>Well, how does anyone ever know that?  For sites that host PHP, for 
>example, someone could conceivably write, say, an IRC server in PHP and 
>get that hosted unknowingly... if you block all ports from the outside 
>and make sure that they can only get through to their application 
>using, say, mod_proxy through an apache vhost config (maybe allowing 
>VNC traffic through as well so they can remotely administer  their 
>image), it's unlikely they'll use it for anything but web apps.
>You could also set things up so that they could only deploy package 
>files, not full images - there would be a preconfigured Seaside image 
>that their packages would get loaded into, running in a sandbox that 
>wasn't directly user readable or writable.  This would give you a 
>little bit more control, and possibly be more convenient for the users 
>You'd want to work really hard to strip this image down so that the 
>memory footprint was as small as possible.  That's the main problem 
>with Seaside hosting: you need machines with *lots* of RAM.
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