[Seaside] Re: Java vs Squeak Page

[Wilkes Joiner]

There is http://lakeshore.sourceforge.net.  I know nothing about it.   
Even if it does work as advertised, you are still losing a LOT by not  
using Smalltalk and its environment.

Wilkes Joiner
http://wilkes.blogspot.com

On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Henrik Ekenberg wrote:

> I have check " http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/ " but it is not  
> the same
>
> mvh
> HEnrik
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> On 6/10/05, Squeak Smalltalk <wallenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Seaside is nice. I have try www.tesuji.nu/calc
>> My boss ask me today if there is anythig like seaside in the Java  
>> world ?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards
>> W.
>>
>> On 6/4/05, Dominique Dutoit <dominiqued at versateladsl.be> wrote:
>>
>>> Your best bet is to make a live demo of how you are going to debug
>>> the application with Squeak and how painful to process is when doing
>>> the same with Java.
>>>
>>> I think that Smalltalk is all about how the developer and the
>>> environment participate to achieve a goal and it is very  
>>> difficult to
>>> convey that experience with articles and books. Java is so remote  
>>> and
>>> looks like a mountain you are not allowed to climb further than its
>>> souvenirs shop, and you can't descent because so many people are
>>> rushing behind you.
>>>
>>> Anyway, good resources are:
>>>
>>> - http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/seaside/
>>>
>>> A gentle introduction to the challenge of developing web application
>>> without a state machine.
>>>
>>> - http://homepage.mac.com/svc/ADayAtTheBeach/
>>>
>>> A nice article explaining the development process of a seaside-based
>>> calculator.
>>>
>>> - http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/2003- 
>>> September/
>>> 002132.html
>>>
>>> A comparison between a weblog tool written with seaside and Java.
>>>
>>> - http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?
>>> showComments=true&entry=3261049347
>>>
>>> A report on a keynote given by Avi a while ago.
>>>
>>> - http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?JavaVsSmalltalk
>>>
>>> - http://www.smalltalkchronicles.net/edition3-1/whyjava.html
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I need to explain to one of my customer why they can use Squeak
>>>> instead of Java in a new project.
>>>> "The project is a server based payment software."
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any good http pages ? So they can read and build an
>>>> opinion ?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> W.
>>>>
>>>> P.S I want to keep my customer so please "Smalltalk religious
>>>> pages" ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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