[Seaside] About SToR

Darius Clarke socinian at gmail.com
Fri Jul 28 21:24:02 UTC 2006

I thought Kilauea was suppose to address this small web app in one
package sweetspot.

Rodger, perhaps a small test app would let you know if Seaside dev is
sweet enough for an old Smalltaker as yourself. (I think it has legs.)
It has several working examples in its default image. Play with it a
little. Check out the scriptaculous version.

On 7/28/06, Roger Whitney <whitney at cs.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> Others have given very good reasons not to do this: existing OR
> mapping layers, object-databases, problems with mapping complex
> objects structures to relational databases, problems with
> continuations holding objects, etc. I am not arguing against these.
> But while I have been doing some web development I have not used
> Seaside for a long time :(. I have been using Django. It has a simple
> OR layer, with all the problems others have mentioned. I have to deal
> with Python, which I am not very fond of, crummy environments, poor
> IDEs, no interactive debugging, etc.  All the while wishing I was
> using Seaside. But I use Django because once I define my "object
> models" (really just simple OR mappings - talk about a mixed up
> object model) Django generates the database tables and an
> administration site to enter data and manage users, which saves time.
> For simple projects I am more than 1/2 done at this point. Most of
> the stuff I have been doing is simple enough that the problems people
> mention are not an issue.
> Of course except for one project that looks like it may push the
> boundary on what is easy to do in Django. So do I rewrite the app in
> Seaside? Well at this point I have already invested time in the
> Django, is it worth switching? These frameworks take some effort to
> master. Just look at all the questions on this list about how to do X
> in Seaside. The details of Django are fresh in my head, details of
> using Seaside are not so fresh. It would take sometime to become
> proficient again partially offsetting Seaside's advantages. So as a
> result Seaside looses mind share. I think what Stephane is saying we
> should try to make it easy for people to do simple things in Seaside
> so we can gain some mind share.
> On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:54 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:
> >>> I was wondering if it would not make a lot of sense to have a
> >>> small framework called STOR that mimic (especially the
> >>> persistency part of RoR) in seaside and magritte.
> >>> It seems to me that lot of people are doing simple application
> >>> and that the persistance is really important there.
> >>> What do you think about that?
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