[Seaside] About SToR
stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sat Jul 29 10:38:19 UTC 2006
I would really to know your experience with seaside for the same kind
And also I would love to know what should be done to get a "django"
On 28 juil. 06, at 21:36, Roger Whitney wrote:
> Others have given very good reasons not to do this: existing OR
> mapping layers, object-databases, problems with mapping complex
> objects structures to relational databases, problems with
> continuations holding objects, etc. I am not arguing against these.
> But while I have been doing some web development I have not used
> Seaside for a long time :(. I have been using Django. It has a
> simple OR layer, with all the problems others have mentioned. I
> have to deal with Python, which I am not very fond of, crummy
> environments, poor IDEs, no interactive debugging, etc. All the
> while wishing I was using Seaside. But I use Django because once I
> define my "object models" (really just simple OR mappings - talk
> about a mixed up object model) Django generates the database tables
> and an administration site to enter data and manage users, which
> saves time. For simple projects I am more than 1/2 done at this
> point. Most of the stuff I have been doing is simple enough that
> the problems people mention are not an issue.
> Of course except for one project that looks like it may push the
> boundary on what is easy to do in Django. So do I rewrite the app
> in Seaside? Well at this point I have already invested time in the
> Django, is it worth switching? These frameworks take some effort to
> master. Just look at all the questions on this list about how to do
> X in Seaside. The details of Django are fresh in my head, details
> of using Seaside are not so fresh. It would take sometime to become
> proficient again partially offsetting Seaside's advantages. So as a
> result Seaside looses mind share. I think what Stephane is saying
> we should try to make it easy for people to do simple things in
> Seaside so we can gain some mind share.
> On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:54 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if it would not make a lot of sense to have a
>>>> small framework called STOR that mimic (especially the
>>>> persistency part of RoR) in seaside and magritte.
>>>> It seems to me that lot of people are doing simple application
>>>> and that the persistance is really important there.
>>>> What do you think about that?
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