[Seaside] Seaside / smalltalk: tools and scalability

[Jared Nuzzolillo]

Hello Philippe. Thanks for responding.

I downloaded Squeak, but I don't need to use it. Any free 'platform' that
fulfills the criteria I mentioned will suffice (ie, runs on windows, a rich
class and method browser, refactoring, debugging, syntax highlighting and
preferably code completion, some form of source control, real sites in
production).

Thanks!
Jared

On 4/17/07, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> As you are currently using Squeak, is this the "platform" you want to
> deploy on?
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> 2007/4/17, Jared Nuzzolillo <jared at protoscript.net>:
> > Greetings friends.
> >
> > As a web developer and passionate programmer, I am completely enamored
> with
> > dynamic languages. Sadly, I have little experience with smalltalk. I've
> > written some toy smalltalk code in the past, but most of my relevant
> > knowledge derives from my ruby experience and smalltalk reading
> material.
> > I've been considering delving back into smalltalk, but recent changes at
> > work have encouraged me to delve into it sooner rather than later.
> >
> > To get started, I skimmed some tutorials, watched some videos and
> downloaded
> > the Developer Image mentioned on this page:
> > http://seaside.st/Download/Images/.
> >
> >  So, here are some questions:
> >
> > 1. Should refactoring using the R button on the Class Browser work? As a
> > test, I tried to rename the stop method of the WAKom class? I get an
> error
> > message to the effect of "doesNotUnderstand #getArgumentPermutation". Is
> > there some other image I should use? I am running windows for
> development. I
> > am open to using another, free VM instead of Squeak, if it works better
> out
> > of the box. I need a rich class and method browser, refactoring,
> debugging,
> > syntax highlighting and preferably code completion. I don't mind
> installing
> > "packages" to the image either.
> >
> > 2. Are there any examples of Seaside (or another, similar smalltalk
> based
> > server) running heavy-load sites? What is the largest (in terms of load)
> > site and what sort of traffic does it receive (or alexa rating if
> > available)? Is it trivial to set up? Part of this exercise is to
> determine
> > whether moving to Smalltalk is a viable solution performance-wise as
> opposed
> > to moving to java as is currently being planned by my employer.
> >
> > 3. I absolutely need to have good source control that will work for,
> say,
> > two dozen developers working on one project. Is there some thing nice
> that
> > works with #1 above?
> >
> > 4. Is there any educational material I just "have to" devour? A video?
> > Tutorial or pdf? A classic text?
> >
> > Thank you, all. I am really exciting to begin this journey, and I hoping
> to
> > get a head start from your collective wisdom.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Jared
> >
> > ps. I realize 1 and 3 are somewhat off topic, but, since I thought there
> > might be a "turnkey" (hate that word ;)) solution, I thought it'd be ok
> to
> > ask.
> >
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