[Seaside] Seaside / smalltalk: tools and scalability

[stephane ducasse]

On 17 avr. 07, at 19:44, Jared Nuzzolillo wrote:

> Hello Philippe. Thanks for responding.
>
> I downloaded Squeak, but I don't need to use it. Any free  
> 'platform' that fulfills the criteria I mentioned will suffice (ie,  
> runs on windows, a rich class and method browser, refactoring,  
> debugging, syntax highlighting and preferably code completion, some  
> form of source control, real sites in production).

Squeak has all that.
have a look at the Squeak-dev image on squeak.org

Stef

>
> Thanks!
> Jared
>
> On 4/17/07, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall at gmail.com>  
> wrote: Hi
>
> As you are currently using Squeak, is this the "platform" you want  
> to deploy on?
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> 2007/4/17, Jared Nuzzolillo <jared at protoscript.net>:
> > Greetings friends.
> >
> > As a web developer and passionate programmer, I am completely  
> enamored with
> > dynamic languages. Sadly, I have little experience with  
> smalltalk. I've
> > written some toy smalltalk code in the past, but most of my relevant
> > knowledge derives from my ruby experience and smalltalk reading  
> material.
> > I've been considering delving back into smalltalk, but recent  
> changes at
> > work have encouraged me to delve into it sooner rather than later.
> >
> > To get started, I skimmed some tutorials, watched some videos and  
> downloaded
> > the Developer Image mentioned on this page:
> > http://seaside.st/Download/Images/.
> >
> >  So, here are some questions:
> >
> > 1. Should refactoring using the R button on the Class Browser  
> work? As a
> > test, I tried to rename the stop method of the WAKom class? I get  
> an error
> > message to the effect of "doesNotUnderstand  
> #getArgumentPermutation". Is
> > there some other image I should use? I am running windows for  
> development. I
> > am open to using another, free VM instead of Squeak, if it works  
> better out
> > of the box. I need a rich class and method browser, refactoring,  
> debugging,
> > syntax highlighting and preferably code completion. I don't mind  
> installing
> > "packages" to the image either.
> >
> > 2. Are there any examples of Seaside (or another, similar  
> smalltalk based
> > server) running heavy-load sites? What is the largest (in terms  
> of load)
> > site and what sort of traffic does it receive (or alexa rating if
> > available)? Is it trivial to set up? Part of this exercise is to  
> determine
> > whether moving to Smalltalk is a viable solution performance-wise  
> as opposed
> > to moving to java as is currently being planned by my employer.
> >
> > 3. I absolutely need to have good source control that will work  
> for, say,
> > two dozen developers working on one project. Is there some thing  
> nice that
> > works with #1 above?
> >
> > 4. Is there any educational material I just "have to" devour? A  
> video?
> > Tutorial or pdf? A classic text?
> >
> > Thank you, all. I am really exciting to begin this journey, and I  
> hoping to
> > get a head start from your collective wisdom.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Jared
> >
> > ps. I realize 1 and 3 are somewhat off topic, but, since I  
> thought there
> > might be a "turnkey" (hate that word ;)) solution, I thought it'd  
> be ok to
> > ask.
> >
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