[Seaside] Seaside / smalltalk: tools and scalability
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Thu Apr 19 02:07:30 UTC 2007
There are a couple of things I think are crucial that are missing from
the standard and -dev images. I'll gather and post details on
settools in a few days.
On 4/18/07, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse at free.fr> wrote:
> what are the changes you did that could be retrofitted either in
> Squeak or in Squeak-dev image :)
> On 18 avr. 07, at 05:14, Chris Muller wrote:
> > For 3.9, I've built an image with lots of bug fixes and IDE
> > improvements. It has working refactoring*, syntax highlighting,
> > auto-completion, method tracing, type-inferring navigation, reduced
> > browser proliferation, and invertible-color brightness (e.g., white on
> > black). It's a good-looking and very productive development image.
> > I've not shared it, but I should. I've just uploaded it to my
> > personal page on the swiki.
> > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2989
> > Good luck.
> > - Chris
> > * The "classic" refactoring features appended to the standard menus
> > work. The 3.9 cascaded menu with refactoring options do not seem to
> > be finished..
> > On 4/17/07, Jared Nuzzolillo <jared at protoscript.net> wrote:
> >> Greetings friends.
> >> As a web developer and passionate programmer, I am completely
> >> enamored with
> >> dynamic languages. Sadly, I have little experience with smalltalk.
> >> I've
> >> written some toy smalltalk code in the past, but most of my relevant
> >> knowledge derives from my ruby experience and smalltalk reading
> >> material.
> >> I've been considering delving back into smalltalk, but recent
> >> changes at
> >> work have encouraged me to delve into it sooner rather than later.
> >> To get started, I skimmed some tutorials, watched some videos and
> >> downloaded
> >> the Developer Image mentioned on this page:
> >> http://seaside.st/Download/Images/.
> >> So, here are some questions:
> >> 1. Should refactoring using the R button on the Class Browser
> >> work? As a
> >> test, I tried to rename the stop method of the WAKom class? I get
> >> an error
> >> message to the effect of "doesNotUnderstand
> >> #getArgumentPermutation". Is
> >> there some other image I should use? I am running windows for
> >> development. I
> >> am open to using another, free VM instead of Squeak, if it works
> >> better out
> >> of the box. I need a rich class and method browser, refactoring,
> >> debugging,
> >> syntax highlighting and preferably code completion. I don't mind
> >> installing
> >> "packages" to the image either.
> >> 2. Are there any examples of Seaside (or another, similar
> >> smalltalk based
> >> server) running heavy-load sites? What is the largest (in terms of
> >> load)
> >> site and what sort of traffic does it receive (or alexa rating if
> >> available)? Is it trivial to set up? Part of this exercise is to
> >> determine
> >> whether moving to Smalltalk is a viable solution performance-wise
> >> as opposed
> >> to moving to java as is currently being planned by my employer.
> >> 3. I absolutely need to have good source control that will work
> >> for, say,
> >> two dozen developers working on one project. Is there some thing
> >> nice that
> >> works with #1 above?
> >> 4. Is there any educational material I just "have to" devour? A
> >> video?
> >> Tutorial or pdf? A classic text?
> >> Thank you, all. I am really exciting to begin this journey, and I
> >> hoping to
> >> get a head start from your collective wisdom.
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Jared
> >> ps. I realize 1 and 3 are somewhat off topic, but, since I thought
> >> there
> >> might be a "turnkey" (hate that word ;)) solution, I thought it'd
> >> be ok to
> >> ask.
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