[Seaside] Seaside with PHP (sort of)

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Wed Apr 25 07:51:25 UTC 2007

The best things to do is to see if you can make money and have success.
I think that the people of netstyle or avi show us the way.
There are really a lot of successful projects of software developed  
in Smalltalk (20% of the world container traffic, 64 AMD weaver  
chain., JPMorgan, even SAP is starting to use Smalltalk).... So I  
hope that you will stay with us.


On 25 avr. 07, at 07:13, William Harford wrote:

> I have done a couple of largish projects in Seaside and Smalltalk  
> (both Squeak and VW). Personally I love Smalltalk and Seaside but I  
> have had a fair amount of trouble convincing any number of  
> programmers of the relative merits of Smalltalk. Even amongst the  
> small group of squeak enthusiasts here is Toronto convincing them  
> to use Smalltalk in a commercial environment is an uphill battle.
> The ideas embodied in Seaside on the other hand are met with much  
> more excitement. Smalltalk, to a large amount of people, is an  
> insurmountable hurtle. In the spirit of open source I blatantly  
> ripped of Seaside and implemented a number of it's ideas with PHP  
> in a project call Phaux.
> http://code.google.com/p/phaux/
> Phaux does lack continuations. In it's place is a mechanism for  
> calling dialogs with a callback when the dialog answers. It should  
> be possible to implement continuations in PHP but I just, at this  
> point, think the complication would not be worth it. It would be a  
> nifty addition to Phaux I just don't want to do it :-).
> What I have not decided is if what I might give up developing with  
> PHP is worth what I might gain (more programmers who are  
> comfortable with PHP). I also have not decided if Seaside and  
> Smalltalk are separable. For example loosing code blocks does  
> somewhat damage the beauty of canvas.
> What other projects projects out there have taken Seaside's ideas  
> and reimplemented them in other languages/platforms. Was it  
> sucessful? What was the trade offs that were made ? Was it worth it?
> Thanks Much
> Will
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