[Seaside] Seaside book

Thu Aug 2 04:37:23 UTC 2007

Hi Boris, what host OS does one use for GemStone's Seaside VM if using
VMware Player?  I ask this question because there's no direct support for
Mac OS X.
-Conrad

On 7/27/07, Boris Popov <boris at deepcovelabs.com> wrote:
>
>  Not quite still. VMware Player is free and users don't need to install
> Ubuntu themselves, they could download GemStone's Seaside VM  with
> everything included and configured, which as a matter of fact may be easier
> than installing and setting up VisualWorks from scratch for instance. All
> dialects deserve a mention and quick start sections IMHO.
>
> Cheers!
>
> -Boris
> (Sent from a BlackBerry)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> ndation.org <seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>>
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> .org <seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org>>
> Sent: Fri Jul 27 18:26:13 2007
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book
>
> Hi Monty, you're correct but the goal of the book is Seaside.  Next,
> VMWare isn't free and I would not expect my customers to purchase
> VMWare, install Ubuntu, and finally install a Smalltalk environment
> and Seaside packages.  I prefer one to focus on installing the
> Smalltalk environment and the Seaside package(s).  Monty, just because
> I can use VMWare doesn't mean that it's necessary or needed for
> learning Seaside.  In short, the book should be focused on learning
> Seaside in the native development environment whether it be
> VisualWorks, Dolphin, and Squeak environments.  Now, if my deployable
> image is VisualWorks or Dolphin, how would installing VMWare satisfy
> these users?
>
> -Conrad
>
> On 7/27/07, Monty Williams <monty.williams at gemstone.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure your restriction makes sense in today's world. You can
> happily
> > run Ubuntu Server Linux in a VMWare environment on a MacBook or other
> > machine, and use Squeak on the native environment as a development
> platform.
> >
> > GLASS (GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, and Smalltalk) as a deployment
> > environment (instead of LAMP) will also run in a virtualized machine.
> > http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/ is running in a virtualized Xen domU
> with
> > 768MB of RAM and a 20GB disk image. The underlying hardware is a
> > dual-processor Opteron 252 2.6GHz with 2GB of RAM which also runs
> GemStone's
> > other external websites, mail, a Confluence wiki, and DNS.
> >
> > -- Monty
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  From: Conrad Taylor [mailto:conradwt at gmail.com <conradwt at gmail.com>]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:27 PM
> > To: Seaside - general discussion
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book
> >
> >
> > Hi, I just wouldn't want to introduce something into a book that's not
> > supported on all the major platforms.  At this time, it doesn't support
> Mac
> > OS X but it support Linux and Windows.  Also, Dolphin Smalltalk only
> > supports the Windows platform from my understanding.  However, it does
> have
> > support Seaside 2.7 on Dolphin Smalltalk X6.  This is very good to hear
> and
> > one can find more information hear:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://dolphinseaside.blogspot <http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/>
> .com/ <http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/>
> >
> >
> > -Conrad
> >
> > On 7/22/07, Boris Popov <boris at deepcovelabs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Except GemStone in this context is way more than just a database, its
> also
> > the execution platform for seaside itself so would have to be accounted
> for
> > throughout IMHO.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > -Boris
> > > (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfou<seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> ndation.org <seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> <
> > seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfou<seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> ndation.org <seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org>>
> > > To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside at lists.squeakfoundation .org>
> > > Sent: Sun Jul 22 16:58:15 2007
> > > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book
> > >
> > > Hi James, I agree with you 100% addressing all the versions of
> Smalltalk.
> > However, I would save Gemstone/S for the database integration parts of
> the
> > book but Dolphin Smalltalk would added to the installation parts of the
> > book.  Anyway, in the outline that I proposed, I assumed that the reader
> had
> > > programming proficiency but I added the "Introduction to Smalltalk"
> > appendix for people that do not.
> > > It would be GREAT to incorporate something like this in the
> forthcoming
> > books on Seaside.
> > >
> > > -Conrad
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/22/07, James Foster <Smalltalk at jgfoster.net <
> > mailto:Smalltalk at jgfoster.net <Smalltalk at jgfoster.net>> > wrote:
> > >
> > >         I believe that all dialects of Smalltalk that support Seaside
> (you
> > left
> > >         out Dolphin and GemStone) have a no-cost edition. It seems
> that
> > >         addressing each of these alternatives would be valuable.
> > >
> > >         James
> > >
> > >         Blake wrote:
> > >         > Hey, guys,
> > >         >
> > >         >     I'm creating an outline and some samples for a Seaside
> book
> > and am
> > >         > wondering: Should I concern myself with Visual Works? That
> is to
> > say:
> > >         > If I base the book on Squeak, I know everyone can get it for
> > free but
> > >         > at the same time, some may choose VW over Squeak for their
> work.
> > >         >
> > >         >     How much accomodation should I make for VW? Obviously,
> I'll
> > want
> > >         > to check over the examples in VW and make sure they work,
> but
> > apart
> > >         > from that?
> > >         >
> > >         >     ===Blake===
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