[Seaside] Re: Re: Benchmark results for Aida/Web

[Klaus D. Witzel]

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:47:19 +0100, stephane ducasse rote:
> On 17 janv. 07, at 12:53, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>
>> Hi Stef,
>>
>> on Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:53:23 +0100, you wrote:
>>> Hi lukas
>>>
>>> I still think that this is important to recognize that people like  
>>> vincent has serious concerns about
>>> seaside scalability. Vincent seemed to be really enthousiast about  
>>> seaside. Now they will certainly
>>> switch to PhP because of speed.
>>
>> In the commercial world this does not happen, Stef. If they choose PhP  
>> then they do so because that was set right from the beginning.
>
> Apparently this is not the case in the situation of vincent.
> So we should not generalize.

NP

/Klaus

>> Even when someone wishes to do something else, nobody hires (+educates  
>> +trains) 3-13 Smalltalk programmers just because the existing PhP team  
>> failed to win the performance challenge.
>>
>> Only _after_ a (commercial) project fails (fails b/o hw, fails b/o sw  
>> => failure reason almost irrelevant) then the speed comparision is  
>> taken a bit more seriously into account. Remember that Google started  
>> with (and still has) Perl scripts:
>>
>> - http://www.google.com/search?q=perl+job&gl=US
>>
>> then view the Google entry under "Sponsored Links".
>>
>> OT: repeat the same search but with other languages, hit refresh  
>> frequently (3-13 times per language should show you all the  
>> advertisers). [still OT]: this one hindered me using $$ AdWords to  
>> promote Squeak, cannot bid more or equal to what Google bids for their  
>> own ads :(
>>
>>> Vincent could you let us know.
>>
>> Yes, please.
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>>> Stef
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 janv. 07, at 07:49, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I just finished benchmarking of Aida/Web web app server and if  
>>>>> someone
>>>>> repeats benchmarking of Seaside, then we'll have something to  
>>>>> compare.
>>>>
>>>> <rant>
>>>> I just finished benchmarking Seaside. I measured the time and the
>>>> lines of code to implement a dynamically generated login web
>>>> application which has 1KB of HTML.
>>>>
>>>> A development environment named Squeak was used to implement the task.
>>>> First I created a new component (including the rendering code),
>>>> registered it as an application entry point and then I counted the
>>>> lines of code:
>>>>
>>>> - 6 lines of code (renderContentOn:)
>>>> - 1 do it (application registration)
>>>>
>>>> I could do all this in less than 2 minutes, including the startup of
>>>> Squeak. I think that could further be optimized by using a ready made
>>>> component.
>>>>
>>>> Benchmarking was done on 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo with 2 GB memory
>>>> running Mac OS X 10.4 on Squeak 3.9.
>>>> </rant>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Lukas
>>>>
>>>> --Lukas Renggli
>>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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