[Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage
david.mitchell at gmail.com
Fri Jul 13 18:07:47 UTC 2007
I'm just another Seaside user, but I like 'Enlight the web'.
On 7/13/07, Sebastian Sastre <ssastre at seaswork.com> wrote:
> Great words Ramon. I feel identified with what you said. After reading your
> email I re-read your systetizer prhase: "Seaside is enlightenment come to
> the web". That phrase represents very well this: 1) the factorization of all
> the crap in web development 2) evoke the "aha" moment 3) subtlety and kindly
> suggest that you will don't get it until you get it (because you have to
> reach enlightment) 4) light (allways an useful thing to have) 5) the web
> gives sense to all this 6) kindly criticize what does not matter (by
> pointing what it does).
> So if we transform your prhase into a slogan it could be something like:
> "Enlight the web"
> "Web enlightment has arrived"
> "Enlighting the web"
> "Web development enlightment"
> "Iluminate development"
> "Web development enlighted"
> An inportant moment to open mind and chest to express the seaside experience
> has arrived. Lets put our best experiences in words guys/girls!!
> Sebastian Sastre
> PS: the beach theme is not present explicitely but the star of the logo
> could function like a link between beach and enlightment: if we use the
> whole metaphore interpreting the sea as internet and Seaside as the star at
> the beach, well star is also a source of light illuminating the beach, so I
> think it has good chances to work.
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > [mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre
> > de Ramon Leon
> > Enviado el: Viernes, 13 de Julio de 2007 12:54
> > Para: 'Seaside - general discussion'
> > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > > [mailto:seaside-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Richard Eng
> > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:17 AM
> > > To: Seaside - general discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage
> > >
> > > That's why I favour "the renegade web framework". Sounds less
> > > negative.
> > >
> > > When devising a slogan, it is very important to pay
> > attention to the
> > > emotions (subtle or otherwise) that it evokes.
> > > "Visceral impact" is everything!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Richard
> > Less negative to whom? To a manager deciding whether to
> > allow it or not, I'd think that slogan does more harm than good.
> > When I first started using Seaside, there was a "what the
> > fuck" reaction.
> > Then came pain, as I realized all the crap I used to do felt hard.
> > Then came the "Aha!", as I realized I didn't need to do all
> > that crap anymore.
> > Then came the "Ahhhhhhhhhh......" as I settled down and
> > realized what a pleasure it write applications with real
> > components, that were actually composeable, in a framework
> > that unlike all the rest, was truly object oriented. Object
> > oriented in the Smalltalk sense, the only language that
> > actually knows what Object Oriented really means. For the
> > most part, that meant no more cookies, no more query strings,
> > no more templates, and no more pages, just components calling
> > components.
> > Then I quit my corporate job and moved to a smaller company
> > for less pay that would allow me to use the technology of my
> > choosing rather than force me to work with established tools.
> > Best decision I've ever made, I've never been happier with work.
> > Seaside isn't a renegade web framework, it's a Zen web
> > framework for those tired of the suffering imposed upon us by
> > standard web development. Seaside is enlightenment come to the web.
> > Seaside is to manual state management what garbage collectors
> > were to manual memory management. Many scream foul, others
> > scream about scalability or speed, but history repeats
> > itself, and just as before, automation and ease of use are
> > king, and computers keep getting faster. Those who don't get
> > on board will simply be displaced by those who do.
> > Ramon Leon
> > http://onsmalltalk.com
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