[Seaside] another reason Rails gets market share and Seaside doesn't

Marcin Tustin mm3 at zepler.net
Tue Jul 17 12:46:18 UTC 2007

I don't understand what you think the barrier is here. Is it that you mean
that it is relatively difficult to create a web interface to an existing SQL

On 7/17/07, Jason Rogers <jacaetevha at gmail.com> wrote:
> The bulk of my development work has been in Java, Smalltalk and Ruby
> (~60%, ~10%, ~30% respectively).  I have done quite a bit of
> development in Rails.  With this background, I would like to offer one
> more reason why I think Rails gets more market-share than our beloved
> Seaside.
> Hypothesis: many developers get sucked into Rails and the RailsWay
> simply because it's so easy to prototype new apps or get quick and
> dirty solutions running.
> Most of my Rails apps have started their lives as
> quick-n-dirty-solutions-to-a-very-present-problem.  Rails makes it
> very easy to do that.  Sadly, Seaside doesn't.  With the work Alan
> Knight is putting into Glorp, and the ActiveRecord equivalent for it,
> this may get easier.  Like it or not, there are a lot of data sets out
> there in relational databases that need front ends -- Seaside falls
> down here just a little.
> I may be branded a heretic here, but for those types of apps I will
> most likely continue using Rails.  For my personal apps (or the apps
> that don't have such tight deadlines) I will continue using Seaside.
> I don't really think file-based vs. image-based is the big issue.
> Developers are (by and far) a lazy lot and they want solutions that
> help them to do more with less.  Of course, we can argue that the
> image-based development of Smalltalk really does do that, but the
> reality is that it doesn't /feel/ like that when you start using
> Seaside without having a significant amount of development experience
> in Smalltalk already.  Typing the arguments on a web page doesn't sell
> it -- people have to feel it.
> Conclusion: I think that the less barriers we have to the lazy lot,
> the more they will consider using Seaside for their small projects.
> Once you get them doing that they will be more likely to choose
> Seaside for their larger projects.
> --
> Jason Rogers
> "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live;
> yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life
> which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of
> the Son of God, who loved me, and gave
> himself for me."
>     Galatians 2:20
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