[Seaside] Feedback from an experienced Java-C# Guy but absolute Smalltalk/Seaside/Squeak Newbie

Philippe Marschall philippe.marschall at gmail.com
Wed Jul 18 17:12:01 UTC 2007

2007/7/18, elni <elni at freenet.de>:
> Hi there.
> I just discovered Seaside after originally looking for .NET Frameworks that
> make our development live easier. So, in fact it was an inaccurate Google
> search term that brought me here. I also got stuck with seaside because I
> also was looking into E-Toys Squeak to teach one of my children some basic
> programming. Anyway I thought, while all of these instant "What is all of
> this"-questions are still up in my head, I thought I´d provide some feedback
> on how you could improve your product to attract more dev folks.
> First, a new user is unaware that there are different flavors of Smalltalk
> and that seaside needs to be ported from one flavor to the other. A little
> sentence that says something like "seaside is based on Smalltalk, a proven
> and robust language that is implemented by different vendors... to get
> seaside running you only need THIS image that has everything you need to get
> started".
> Of course the Squeak-GUI - and how it interfaces with the seaside
> web-frontend needs more explanation. I discovered that code errors in the
> web frontend, trigger some debug (or whatever it is) process in the Squeak
> GUI and the browser is waiting for some "proceed" action triggered from the
> GUI.
> The biggest question mark is Database connectivity. I use SubSonic (.NET) or
> ActiveRecord for my projects and I really like the approach. I read some
> threads about a PostgresMapper and Object Databases but it would be great to
> see day-to-day database samples that put all of that into context. There
> might be n-ways to do it but there should be an easy standard way of
> connecting to the most common databases and data that is already out there.
> No SQL please.
> Ah, and one thing... the counter example is great... but I hit the exact
> same sample in nearly all presentations about seaside. It would be great to
> have some more variety.
> Ok, so thanks for your time. I hope you don´t get me wrong, as it is not my
> intention to degrade Seaside. Just some ideas on how to improve. The
> framework itself looks very capable!

Thanks for your feedback.  I can agree with most of your points. If
you have any ideas for more examples like counter, bring'em on.


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