[Seaside] Re: What's the (technical) purpose of adding t/seaside/ to the path

[Philippe Marschall]

2007/7/20, Michael Lucas-Smith <mlucas-smith at cincom.com>:
> Jason Johnson wrote:
> > I think I'm a little confused here.  /seaside is only in the path
> > because that's the location you configured Seaside to live on the web
> > server no?  If you want it somewhere else can't you just do something
> > like:
> >
> > ma := ModuleAssembly core.
> > seaside := WAKom default.
> > ma alias: '/my/other/location' to: [ma addPlug: [:request | seaside
> > process: request ] ].
> >
> It's different for every web server - WebToolKit, Swazoo, Kom,
> Opentalk-HTTP, Whatever Dolphin has. So it's kinda hard to write a
> tutorial for it that covers all the Seaside versions out there.
>
> It's also a kind of random piece of voodoo for a beginner coming on to
> the scene don't you think?
> > Kinda depends who is your target. For anything serious or commercial
> > is setting up and Apache a really an issue? Srsly?
> Well I know Cincom customers punished the previous web team enough that
> they have a whole mapping and aliasing engine built in to WebToolKit for
> exactly these issues - I agree, using Apache is a nice way to avoid
> having to write the code yourself, although not having to write it in
> the first place is even better.
> >
> > The more serious deployment barrier I see is how do you deploy static
> > resources like images and pictures?
> We set up a Resource class that had a base URL that was pointing to
> Apache - in that respect, the Seaside program was never mounted on a URL
> that it wasn't going to be on (except for host:port) and the images
> could move around with a Configuration parameter. It also meant that we
> could do what Boris does - use resources in-image and then move them off
> to another server when we deploy.
> > How do you manage dependencies?
> It's all Smalltalk code so the flick of a seaside configuration variable
> is no biggy.

Yeah right. I'll tell that to the next person who wants to load
PierBlog and tries to figure out what version of Pier, Magritte,
Seaside, RSRSS and whatever libraries else she needs and where to get
all this stuff if she wants to run on Seaside 2.7.

> > How do you continuously integrate?
> Same as you always do.

So between how many open source continuous integration servers, that
automatically build images, run tests and send out notifications can I
exactly choose? That build minimal production images and development
images with all the browser enhancements continuously? How do I
automatically deploy code to multiple servers (no, opening an
X-session and hitting in load for every image is not a solution)?

Philippe

> I think the /seaside URL is a bit of a perception problem for new users
> coming in. They expect to have control of the URL mapping space - in
> fact, it looks pretty good when you see that you can register your class
> with a name and that the URL to invoke your application is that URL -
> except for this /seaside thing on the front.
>
> I like the advertising it gives the project - but I can't see anyone
> wanting to ever deploy with /seaside in their URL for a real app - which
> means just about everyone is going to want to remap it or reconfigure it
> to not have it. So.. my thoughts still point toward not having it in the
> first place to remove the issue completely.
>
> Michael
> >
> > ?  Looks quite easy to change to me.
> >
> > Philippe Marschall wrote:
> >> 2007/7/20, Michael Lucas-Smith <mlucas-smith at cincom.com>:
> >>> Is the general consensus that people would rather the /seaside/ wasn't
> >>> part of the default URL?
> >>>
> >>> If we change this - will anyone have a problem?
> >>
> >> You mean besides updating all the tutorials ever written and all the
> >> server configurations?
> >>
> >> Philippe
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