[Seaside] another reason Rails gets market share andSeasidedoesn't

sig siguctua at gmail.com
Sat Jul 21 19:06:31 UTC 2007

On 21/07/07, Blake <blake at kingdomrpg.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:48:11 -0700, sig <siguctua at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Even if you done things badly, you must give users a way to easily fix
> > that. In most unix-es changing keys layout is just reading a short doc
> > and editing a text file. You don't even need to learn any computer
> > language to make this. Compare given efforts with those, which windows
> > users need for such trivial tasks.
> Apparently, you don't, as Microsoft demonstrates repeatedly. You can do
> whatever the hell you want when you have a captive audience. (I'm not
> arguing that Windows is a model here, except perhaps in trying to maintain
> that captive audience through coercion rather than persuasion. I actually
> don't se how Windows is particularly relevant to a discussion on the
> merits of third party software except, I guess, that it's crapitude
> encourages 3rd party software, right up to the point where MS swallows the
> 3rd party.)
> > Simply compare this:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302092
> > and this:
> > http://www.linux.com/articles/113715
> Don't need to. I found a solution in five minutes that didn't involve me
> reading at all. Illiteracy (and laziness) will out!

Its pretty easy, i know :) I found fast solution, that convenient for
me. But its only because of internet. Now turn off your internet
connection and try solve a problem with what you have onboard.
Actually i wanted to point that its not about how fast you can find
solution, its about how well a product, that installed on your PC can
be configured(fixed) to satisfy your demands, without involving 3rd
party tools, which often costs money.

> > Yes, i agree with what you say, but just tell me, how many topics you
> > seen like 'my Win-XP-like controls, for <...>', is this a good way to
> > bring something new and shiny to society, but don't leave others a way
> > how to reuse it, and forcing those numerous 'XP-like' controls suites
> > appear for different languages/dev tools which targeted to run on
> > windows XP anyways.
> Actually, both those links include source code with purchase, at least
> optionally.
> And it has nothing to do with being "XP-like". The simple fact is, those
> components encapsulate a whole lot of technology that I don't have to
> program if I use Delphi, that I =do= have to program if I want to use
> Squeak.
> The breadth (and occasionally, the depth) of Squeak's third party support
> is astounding, frankly. It says a lot about the joy of working with it.
> But grids and graphs aren't going anywhere. They're easy to understand and
> use. And the two companies I pointed out are just two of =dozens= that
> supply those sorts of things for the relatively minor development
> environment that is Delphi. And Delphi comes with both grids AND graphs
> =free=.
> It's all very well to be disdainful of people trying to make a living in
> niche markets, but that don't put the budget graph in front of the CFO.
Its not a disdain, its just a regret that people, instead of moving
forward, make themselves busy by re-engineering things which is
already exist, or making a temporary and useless stuff like 'my
XP-button'. I see nothing bad to do things like this in real world,
but in computer industry this looks like a stagnation to me.

I used Delphi myself to develop couple of projects, components e.t.c..
used it from v 1.0 till 2000. And i know very well what efforts
required to create such rich set of components. And i'm regret, that
after so many years we at the same point where was: reinventing the
wheel again and again, everyone busy creating things which was done
1000 times before by others, including current situation with squeak.

> Anyway, I think we've gotten way afield here.
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